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would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« on: 06 March 2015, 04:55:23 pm »
I'm having a bit of a debate with someone on Twitter, basically I'm saying I reckon that if there was less stigma around sex work and it was more acceptable and less dangerous then the average people charged for sessions would go down, but they seem adamant there is no connection. It seems pretty obvious to me, add I've always seen that part of the reason the rates are so much higher than other work is because of the risk involved with it, which is primarily caused by stigma and the dodgy legal status. Also I'm sure I've read people on here say that average rates have gone down in recent years as more people have taken it up aided by the internet (Though I guess the recession probably has something to do with that too).

What do people think? have there been any studies/investigations into this?

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #1 on: 06 March 2015, 05:08:08 pm »
I think it would definitely go down, if only due to market saturating even further.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #2 on: 06 March 2015, 05:14:11 pm »
IMO its competition that drives prices down.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #3 on: 06 March 2015, 06:06:33 pm »
IMO its competition that drives prices down.
but less stigma will lead to more girls choosing this line of work, which will make market more saturated, and finally to rates going down. That's why I don't mind stigma :P

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #4 on: 06 March 2015, 06:10:54 pm »
I agree with you, Teaboy. If it were a normal thing to do and people weren't ashamed and predators didn't assume they could do what they wanted to prostitutes then I'm sure there would be many more people happy to do it.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #5 on: 06 March 2015, 06:46:06 pm »
I'm also in the camp that stigma keeps the prices up.

Prices haven't increased much in the past ten years and I put that down to more girls starting and therefore more competition and less work/money per person.

I don't think it's going to get any better either.
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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #6 on: 06 March 2015, 06:48:55 pm »
If there were less stigma and more women took up the business causing prices to drop to lets say a universal ?30 for a full GFE would anyone here do it? I know I wouldn't. Long let the stigma reign as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #7 on: 06 March 2015, 07:32:13 pm »
To be fair you'd be lucky to get a non-erotic massage for less than forty quid, so I doubt it would every go down that low. Also even without the stigma it's still not a job that everyone would want to do, so I think that would stop it dropping too far (except maybe with people who were really desperate for money)

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #8 on: 06 March 2015, 10:54:57 pm »
You forget that it's mostly men who force women to lower their rates.
That creates the inflation.
Women themselves would probably not go down to 50 an hour if they would know better.
If the stigma wasn't so bad, you could clarify more openly how women would be able to wok independent and girls at 18,19 wouldn't have to go to awful brothels because they don't know how to start as an escort.
Also agencies wouldn't be able to take advantage any longer.

It is US--women who make the prices. if nobody goes down with their rates, men have to pay anyway because they are controlled by their c***s. And for all the women who would start escorting there would be the same amount of punters IMO, bc men also feel ashamed to pay for escort services.

Many girls can't do this type of work anyway because they are too sensitive and not everyone loves sex.
I still believe that rates would actually go up because women would finally be able to support each other and create own businesses without men who take advantage again and we would keep the market at a specific level. The low lives who try to charge less would become outcasts (and be forced to increase their rates) and quality would rule over cheap quantity. Women would know how much their service is worth and not cheapen themselves.
Apple or high fashion designers don't get cheaper just because there is so much other cheaper stuff on the market. It get s even more expensive because of the right marketing (which you would be able to finally do)and true and real quality combined with perfect marketing rules the market in general.
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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #9 on: 07 March 2015, 12:21:34 am »
I think that's quite an idealistic view Carolyn. Yes, it's sex workers who set their prices but they have to be realistic or they'd get no business. In Germany, where sex work is fully legalised, the price of full service has dropped massively. That doesn't mean there aren't still people charging more than others but it means they're probably going to lose a lot of bookings to others who are cheaper. The idea that no one would lower their rates again is unrealistic as what would happen when someone couldn't pay their rent or wanted to get a few more bookings? They'd lower their prices.

If the stigma wasn't so bad, you could clarify more openly how women would be able to wok independent and girls at 18,19 wouldn't have to go to awful brothels because they don't know how to start as an escort.
Also agencies wouldn't be able to take advantage any longer.

Yes, this is something I really wish I had had some info on when I first started. If sex work were decriminalised and less stigmatised there probably would have been somewhere I felt I could have gone to ask these questions (when I first started I didn't know about this website, sex worker only clinics in my area etc.)

I wonder if there wasn't as much stigma about being a sex worker, if that would mean there wasn't as much stigma about seeing a sex worker? Maybe then rates would go up :)

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #10 on: 07 March 2015, 12:26:21 am »
Hm... Okay, rates would go down as there is definitely a connection, but I'm not sure that there's a problem with that and I think liking the stigma just because it brings you more money is a bit selfish. If we had proper worker's rights and could stamp out certain damaging myths, aka rape and murder not being considered an occupational hazard, then that would lead to much better conditions which would make our work a lot more safer and enjoyable. However, I would argue that these rights would only be provided in a society that already provided decent other options so less women would feel "forced" to do this, and as a result the market wouldn't be THAT saturated (though there would still be an increase in workers).

All in all I'd take a ?60/hour rate (half my rate) if it meant I could work almost entirely worry-free and also be upfront and honest to people about how I make my money. Even ?30 an hour (which I highly doubt it would reach) is way more than I'd expect to earn in any other job I would be likely to be accepted into right now.

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #11 on: 07 March 2015, 12:41:19 am »
On the other hand though would less stigma of the sex industry not create more punters? Therefore more business to go round?
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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #12 on: 07 March 2015, 12:55:08 am »
Very good point, I honestly have no idea as I'm still wrapping my head round what makes men come to escorts and particularly what makes men do it more than women (I'm going to ignore the gender essentialist responses), re the first point obviously there's the old no sex in marriage/feeling lonely etc but I don't believe that's the whole story. How I wish it wasn't so difficult to do research on this stuff!

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #13 on: 07 March 2015, 12:55:43 am »
Rates went down in brothels (Germany) which are mostly run by men but not inside the escort industry.
Like this terrible [removed] in Berlin or most flat rate brothels that make me puke. Many girls just don't know any better because men tell them that's all you can charge (you are not a supermodel, so you can't charge more) and make women insecure with false claims and lies about the industry.

Some of the most famous and most expensive escort agencies [removed] and [removed] escorts are based in Germany f.ex Frankfurt and they make a hell loads of money.
Switzerland is also full of cheap male run brothels. And still some of the most expensive escorts in the world live and work there. Yes, it might be a little bit less than in the past. I have to say that I managed to make even more during times when other girls felt they need to lower their rates. Simply because of my attitude NOT TO GIVE IN to a lie. Sex industry doesn't go down EVER. It is one of the most secure industries in the world.

I claimed I never worked in Germany, well, that's not true. I worked for [removed] and they only do overnight bookings. Many of their girls are not featured online (as I wasn't).
The agency is run by only women.
I just don't like working for an agency in general so I quit after one year but I worked extremely well.
[removed] is even supported and protected by the police and some government guys (I have heard).

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Re: would rates go down if there was less stigma?
« Reply #14 on: 07 March 2015, 01:08:56 am »
I hate that at the beginning I was working for incredibly low rates while I was young and beautiful because I didn't know the industry and thought that's all you can charge.
I started at 23 but looked like 17, the idiot of the agency I started with had a bunch of beautiful girls and was running the industry in Switzerland (as he still somehow does) who worked for half what I charge today and it was lots of work. To me at that time it was a lot of money and I was happy.
I hate this guy for taking so much advantage. as so many other idiots who use women.
He really never touched me or pushed me to do anything. And because everything seemed so nice, polite and perfect, I assumed that the way we worked was completely fine, but it wasn't. But because nobody complained?how could I have known better?
I so wish I would have had an intelligent lady in my life to guide me, but there were too many who didn't know any better, too.
« Last Edit: 07 March 2015, 01:33:26 am by Carolynfeline »