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Re: Why do some clients get angry when you ask for age/ethnicity?
« Reply #15 on: 28 September 2017, 10:34:35 pm »
everyone has a right to choose who they get intimate with paid or not

I'm pretty sure that nobody reading is unaware of this, but it wasn't the OP's question and we're not going down this tired old path again - it's been done to death and all that ever happens is people ranting and raving about how they won't be 'forced' to see punters they don't want to (when nobody was ever saying they should) instead of owning their choices and admitting that yes, they discriminate and that's nobody's business but their own.

The question related to punters getting angry at what they likely see as unnecessarily personal questions, and that's why I suggested asking whether they had read the ad in full. As somebody else has posted, you can't make them tell the truth and if they lie and say yes when they haven't and wind up with a wasted journey, tough shit :).


Edit: Four off topic 'I don't see X because Y' posts removed. Any more for any more, or shall I just lock it now?
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« Reply #16 on: 28 September 2017, 10:51:02 pm »
Unfortunately a lot dont read all the ad or if they do could still turn up hoping your see them anyway and sometimes they might get lucky other times they wont.

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« Reply #17 on: 28 September 2017, 10:54:04 pm »
I have had guys turn up who don't even know I'm pregnant because they haven't even read my ad just looked at the pictures. Pregnant is in my name lol so it's ridiculous they don't even realise
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Re: Why do some clients get angry when you ask for age/ethnicity?
« Reply #18 on: 29 September 2017, 09:32:43 am »
I think that some people get angry, not because you ask them those 2 questions, but because, that's just how they are.  Some people see their glass as half empty, some as half full.  Men who take steroids for body building have a very short fuse can and get angry very quickly.  I also think that for safety reasons it's nice to know the approximate age and ethnicity of person visiting me. After all you are letting a complete stranger into your home / flat / apartment /hotel room. In my uneducated view, there is nothing wrong in asking those 2 questions. Lets not forget they want to know how old you are and what your ethnicity is. Love and kindness  :)

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Re: Why do some clients get angry when you ask for age/ethnicity?
« Reply #19 on: 29 September 2017, 09:49:44 am »
I also think that for safety reasons it's nice to know the approximate age and ethnicity of person visiting me. After all you are letting a complete stranger into your home / flat / apartment /hotel room.

But unless you're saying that the answers to these questions affect how safe a punter is (which they patently don't; nobody who was a perfectly safe and sensible adult at 24 is suddenly going to become an axe wielding maniac at the stroke of midnight on their 25th birthday) then how are punters supposed to interpret such questions? What are these 'safety reasons'?

If you mean opening the door to the wrong person in a hotel then yes, I've done that at least half a dozen times but asking for a vague physical description would have made no difference on any of those occasions since the men concerned were all pretty much of a muchness. It didn't make me less safe, just look like a pillock :).

As I said previously, anybody getting angry with me at any time would be a good enough reason not to see them but then I don't ask questions on the phone that are likely to get people's backs up, unless they have a problem with 'what time and for how long?' And to be fair, some do.
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« Reply #20 on: 29 September 2017, 03:00:42 pm »
I think race is a very touchy subject.  I would avoid it at all cost.  It can come across as being rude.

Some men would hate to be asked such a question, you might get "how dare you to ask me" type response.  There are nice men, who are very relaxed and they do volunteer that info, these are very educated men, who are very liberal and upfront (ok, just my experience, may not be yours).  I commented once re. one client's "cultural background" as a positive, he hated that comment, judging by his sudden change in his facial expression and he went quiet.  I realised I shouldn't have said it.  His response probably was (even though he didn't say) "Fuck you. I'm British, I'm no different to you".  I avoid any topics relating to this. 

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« Reply #21 on: 29 September 2017, 04:55:37 pm »
I see men of all ethnicities but I still have a fair few say "I'm Asian" or "I'm black - is that okay with you?"

Recently I had a chat with one guy who had specifically asked if I was okay with black men. He said he realises that if a sex worker has said "Sorry I do not see black/asian/young/old men" then it is probably because she has had a bad experience, and he would not want to book her, knowing she would be nervous throughout the booking. He said he appreciates that being on a profile so he does not have to ring and ask and be refused service.

So if I did have any restrictions around that I would definitely note it on my profile. You may get some nasty calls and texts but I think the majority of men will appreciate not wasting their time and credit calling you.
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« Reply #22 on: 29 September 2017, 05:00:34 pm »
I see men of all ethnicities but I still have a fair few say "I'm Asian" or "I'm black - is that okay with you?"

Recently I had a chat with one guy who had specifically asked if I was okay with black men. He said he realises that if a sex worker has said "Sorry I do not see black/asian/young/old men" then it is probably because she has had a bad experience, and he would not want to book her, knowing she would be nervous throughout the booking. He said he appreciates that being on a profile so he does not have to ring and ask and be refused service.

So if I did have any restrictions around that I would definitely note it on my profile. You may get some nasty calls and texts but I think the majority of men will appreciate not wasting their time and credit calling you.


This is exactly what happens to me.

I have a FAQ which states that I am happy to see Black and Asian clients but a lot of them still check with me first.

I have never had a nasty response to anything because if I hear a tone of voice I don't like,  I am miraculously fully booked. 


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« Reply #23 on: 29 September 2017, 05:00:55 pm »
I see men of all ethnicities but I still have a fair few say "I'm Asian" or "I'm black - is that okay with you?"

Recently I had a chat with one guy who had specifically asked if I was okay with black men. He said he realises that if a sex worker has said "Sorry I do not see black/asian/young/old men" then it is probably because she has had a bad experience, and he would not want to book her, knowing she would be nervous throughout the booking. He said he appreciates that being on a profile so he does not have to ring and ask and be refused service.

So if I did have any restrictions around that I would definitely note it on my profile. You may get some nasty calls and texts but I think the majority of men will appreciate not wasting their time and credit calling you.

This is all valid.  However I still have an issue with the fact that no profiles I have ever seen state this:

"I've had a bad experience with a white man, therefore please respect I won't see white men"

Until I hear about women banning all white men because of a a bad experience with one white man then I'm not having it that the bad behaviour of one black or Asian man reflects on all black and Asian men.

No one should be associating bad behaviour or worse with the colour of the person's skin. If a person is a cunt, they are a cunt, irrespective of skin colour.

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« Reply #24 on: 29 September 2017, 05:14:58 pm »
I completely agree with you objectively, SS.

However, when you're talking about providing an intimate service to someone, I think it's up to the provider to make a personal call on what they can handle. If they have PTSD due to a previous traumatic experience with a member of a particular race/age group/whatever, then they may feel unable to offer a good service to others in that group.

I personally have had bad life experiences with a number of white men, one of whom had a strong Swansea accent. For this reason I wouldn't ever tour Swansea, but I don't bother putting on my profile about it, because the chances of someone from there contacting me are slim.

I think most SWs who've had traumatic experiences with white men probably realise that since white men are 50-90-% of the market, they are going to have to either manage their feelings, or leave the business.

It's equally possible that some escorts do refuse white men if they're working somewhere they get enough trade from other ethnicities (it would certainly be possible in London.) But can you imagine if you put "I don't see white men" on your profile - discriminating against a group which objectively has the highest privilege in history would cause an insanely entitled response. Certainly for every time I've turned down a booking because I didn't like the attitude on the phone, the most aggressive and abusive responses have been from white guys (or guys who "sound white" I guess, since I haven't met them.)
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« Reply #25 on: 29 September 2017, 05:27:14 pm »
It's equally possible that some escorts do refuse white men if they're working somewhere they get enough trade from other ethnicities (it would certainly be possible in London.) But can you imagine if you put "I don't see white men" on your profile - discriminating against a group which objectively has the highest privilege in history would cause an insanely entitled response. Certainly for every time I've turned down a booking because I didn't like the attitude on the phone, the most aggressive and abusive responses have been from white guys (or guys who "sound white" I guess, since I haven't met them.)

I hear the rest of what you are saying. As to the above paragraph my feeling is this absolutely sums up the problem, and kinda the point I was trying to make.

I rest my case. I will stop now before we end up going round in circles.

Having a VERY bad day! So I'm just putting out my opinions in more forcefully than normal I guess.

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« Reply #26 on: 29 September 2017, 05:41:51 pm »
This is all valid.  However I still have an issue with the fact that no profiles I have ever seen state this:

"I've had a bad experience with a white man, therefore please respect I won't see white men"

Until I hear about women banning all white men because of a a bad experience with one white man then I'm not having it that the bad behaviour of one black or Asian man reflects on all black and Asian men.

No one should be associating bad behaviour or worse with the colour of the person's skin. If a person is a cunt, they are a cunt, irrespective of skin colour.

The problem is the majority of customers are white men so banning all white men you might as well close down your profiles and give up on sex work thats why you never see this just not possible to make a living without white men.

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« Reply #27 on: 29 September 2017, 05:46:34 pm »
The problem is the majority of customers are white men so banning all white men you might as well close down your profiles and give up on sex work thats why you never see this just not possible to make a living without white men.

Exactly. The only reason people exclude some groups of punters is because they can. White punters can pretty much do what they like and yet are never lumped together as a homogenous group who will supposedly all behave the same way just because a few have. It's lazy, pig ignorant and utterly fucking obnoxious.

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Re: Why do some clients get angry when you ask for age/ethnicity?
« Reply #28 on: 29 September 2017, 05:46:55 pm »
I rest my case. I will stop now before we end up going round in circles.

Yes lets, especially since it's just going to trundle off down the same old path and also because you summarised it perfectly with

This is all valid.  However I still have an issue with the fact that no profiles I have ever seen state this:

"I've had a bad experience with a white man, therefore please respect I won't see white men"

Until I hear about women banning all white men because of a a bad experience with one white man then I'm not having it that the bad behaviour of one black or Asian man reflects on all black and Asian men.

No one should be associating bad behaviour or worse with the colour of the person's skin. If a person is a cunt, they are a cunt, irrespective of skin colour.

Since we've similarly never had a thread stating the above in ten years (and nor have we ever heard from anybody who is so concerned about being conspicuous to their neighbourhood that they make sure ALL callers to their premises are white, which is a shame because I'd dearly love to have heard how that phone conversation went if they were needing home healthcare or their broadband fixed), I think we can safely say it isn't going to happen.

Until it does, that's another one locked. And thank fuck for that.