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What Money?
« on: 26 January 2018, 01:18:29 pm »
Hey ladies, so I have been talking to quite a few fellow SPs and doing a bit of reading on here and from what I've gathered it seems as though quite a few ladies find this job very profitable. I on the other hand do not. To me the money is actually quite shit hence I have started to acquire money through other means. I simply don't understand when women say they love the money  ???. However, I know of few girls who are trying to exit the business because they have gone broke and can no longer pay rent etc so are moving into civvy work. I honestly don't think the money is good at all. last year I didnt even make 10k, had to move out of my home and sell stuff on ebay just to make ends meet and I know there are some on here who only get enough money to pay rent and eat. Seems like it's getting harder and harder to make a decent income doing this job to the point where you are better off working civvy. So ladies, what money are you actually talking about? ???

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« Reply #1 on: 26 January 2018, 01:33:47 pm »
I think it's impossible to say, really!

Probably there are 'fixed' and 'intangible' factors. So fixed are things like age, looks, location. I'm a middle-aged BBW so I never expected to be turning them away in droves. Intangible would be things like services offered, customer retainment, marketing and so on.

My advice to anyone starting would be to take a thorough look at e.g. AdultWork and price yourself according to your peers with slight variations. So, say you're a 25-year-old size 12 busty blonde who works from an average home and doesn't do CIM and anal; if there's another size 12 busty blonde 25-year-old in your town who works from a luxury apartment and does CIM and anal for 150 an hour, maybe you would charge 130. I think you need to brutally honest with yourself and realistic about your prices. It's all very well feeling you're 'worth' 200 an hour, but if you get no bookings, you won't eat!

Then there's customer services. I'd say if fewer than about 30 percent of your clients ever return, you need to ask yourself why. Are you warm and welcoming? Do you watch the clock? Do you limit the amount of pops or how vigorous the sex is? Are you offering services you don't really enjoy, and it's showing? Do you offer time to shower, decent toiletries, clean towels etc. Do you offer a drink? Do you have a decent range of different condoms? All these things can make a difference.

And marketing - do you market just on AW, or do you also have your own website, Twitter account, maybe Instagram, listings on other profiles? Do you engage on any fora? Is your profile brief and clear? Do you return messages fairly promptly? Display your phone number? Is your availability well explained and your booking procedure clarified?

If you can't work from home, are you touring in the right areas? Picking the best hotels/apartments for discretion and client access?

In summary, I think you need to experiment, and if one or more factors aren't working, change them. So e.g. if you hate doing OWO, change to OW and market yourself as being health-conscious. If there's one day of the week that's always dead, perhaps do a discount on that day only. And think about how you interact with clients, both at the booking stage and face-to-face.
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« Reply #2 on: 26 January 2018, 01:45:12 pm »
How were you advertising? Were you a niche or super high rate?
I see this business as any other business, if you have the time and put effort into branding and selling your self (any have good luck tbh)  there is alot of money to be made, but it no longer is money just bc a phone number is up, I notice more and more the north south divide  as well.
I think where some struggle is not seeing this as a business that requires morw rhan juat bookings but hours advwrtisimg and talkinf. I earn alot less than many on here as I'm part time, but when I was full time and putting the hours in I was reasonably profitable (but not insanely so)  I've tried civvie work and I earnt what I do now in a few hours pulling insane hours and being degraded and disrespected by my job.

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« Reply #3 on: 26 January 2018, 02:45:58 pm »
Hey ladies, so I have been talking to quite a few fellow SPs and doing a bit of reading on here and from what I've gathered it seems as though quite a few ladies find this job very profitable. I on the other hand do not. To me the money is actually quite shit hence I have started to acquire money through other means. I simply don't understand when women say they love the money  ???. However, I know of few girls who are trying to exit the business because they have gone broke and can no longer pay rent etc so are moving into civvy work. I honestly don't think the money is good at all. last year I didnt even make 10k, had to move out of my home and sell stuff on ebay just to make ends meet and I know there are some on here who only get enough money to pay rent and eat. Seems like it's getting harder and harder to make a decent income doing this job to the point where you are better off working civvy. So ladies, what money are you actually talking about? ???
and some saving also! i am the only one. but this is my choice if i would like to be high volume, i know wht i need to do to work more!
just it is not my interest! yes, actually if you are working on your marketing you ll be able to work more. show up your number and if you are really in a bad financial situation...so maybe decrease fees, discounts, work everyday, bid on reserve booking, update pictures.
Depend where are you? I am in London and there is traffic (this week not really). no all days are productive even you are top with your marketing. sometimes i am in panic LOL, of course and i think that all freelancer feel the same.
if you are in totally disastrer there are a lot of action you can take to overcome it.
i do not love money, money are just a tool to live...do not drive me at all! my happiness drive me!
escorting to me is freedom more than money matter, civvy job is a prison with all stress and pressure!

we are working less hrs for more money than a civvy job! ntohing is perfect!
i really believe if you want you can do a lot of money as i did when i started! really really busy!

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« Reply #4 on: 26 January 2018, 02:53:19 pm »
I agree with Kay's post. It is a lot of factors.

I also think the market has changed, going back a few years it felt everyone was much busier- I think now there are more escorts out there and less money to spend. Political and economic uncertainty will cause most markets to drop.

Location is imporant too, some areas there is a ot of competition and rates will drop because of that and obviously less punters per escort.

I think those that make a fuck tonne of money have worked really hard at their marketing, branding and customer service as well and have well thought out plans and invest their money in photographs, smart locations and advertising. Of course you need a bit of cash to do all that to start with.

I think sometimes women have a je ne sais quoi which makes them hugely popular and for some it just doesn't quite work out for them.

I blame all these TV programmes about sex work that have made more people start and imply that we are all making a fortune!

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« Reply #5 on: 26 January 2018, 03:33:40 pm »
I forgot to add - the recent BTG survey said (off the top of my head) that only 10 percent of SWs earned more than 50K a year, and the majority earn less than 20K, so a few 'superstars' aside, many escorts probably aren't earning as much as you think.
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« Reply #6 on: 26 January 2018, 05:03:38 pm »
While 'popular' in my area I've never been high volume, I've never had the demand even if I wanted to be! It's definitely slowing down and I now sometimes have to accept bookings 6 days a week instead of my preferred 4 day working week. I'm lucky my outgoings are minimal, I'm debt free with no dependants and can go on nice holidays a few times a year and treat myself . For me having ?600-1200 disposable income after bills and savings is a great month. The biggest luxury for me in this job is I'm living my life at my own pace/rules,which has saved my mental health and the few Shit days or weeks are a small price to pay for it.

Off the bat when I started I made the right impression and built up a good reputation in my area,that's been my saving grace. I've never bothered advertising on anything but aw and my photos are taken on my Samsung. It's fucking hard to stand out amongst a sea of profiles especially in saturated areas. I've seen girls market themselves amazingly in my area by being 'them' they have a strong presence on other forums and use that to market themselves and generate interest that way  not only in my area but for touring too.

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« Reply #7 on: 26 January 2018, 05:33:36 pm »
I forgot to add - the recent BTG survey said (off the top of my head) that only 10 percent of SWs earned more than 50K a year, and the majority earn less than 20K, so a few 'superstars' aside, many escorts probably aren't earning as much as you think.

Is that gross or net (after expenses?)

I gross above 60,000 and after overheads (but before taxes) about 50,000.

I am not a stunner. I'm almost 50 years old and flat-chested.  I do get repeat customers, but it's less than 30%. I don't really like regulars - they bore me. I also have a terrible reputation out there on the review sites (the biggest one has even blacklisted me.) I charge average rates - my service list isn't too limited but I don't do much of the niche services. No spanking or anal or watersports, for example.

I'm picky about whom I see - I reject more than half of the men who contact me just because I don't like the sound of them.

 My average rates don't take my age into account, either. I figure if someone finds me attractive, they'll pay as much to see me as they would someone half my age that they find attractive. I am not interested in being someone's bargain buy - I don't think punters think "I'd like to shag that hot young sexy 21-year-old but I have to replace the boiler so I'll bang that ugly old bag, instead."

I work 10-15 days a month.

What I do do is market myself well by highlighting what is special about me and I know how to set myself apart. Sometimes, I think it's easier to be older or physically unusual. It must be tough to be a mid-20's, size 12 white British girl.

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« Reply #8 on: 26 January 2018, 06:29:08 pm »
Op, what civvy job would you be looking at that pays over 100 per hour?

If you've previously qualified in a profession that's one thing but expecting to walk into an unskilled role for much more than minimum wage is a bit unrealistic (though not unachievable if you're setting up your own business and prepared to work an 80 hour week.)
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« Reply #9 on: 26 January 2018, 06:55:43 pm »
Op, what civvy job would you be looking at that pays over 100 per hour?

If you've previously qualified in a profession that's one thing but expecting to walk into an unskilled role for much more than minimum wage is a bit unrealistic (though not unachievable if you're setting up your own business and prepared to work an 80 hour week.)

I think this is missing the point a bit - of course most civvy jobs don't pay ?100 ph, but most will pay a 36+ hour week every week, which can easily total more than sex work if you're not doing many bookings and having to pay most of it back out again for hotels, ads and so on. It's comparing apples and oranges; I've had weeks where I've earned 3K+ and others where I've earned 80 quid and I think the uncertainty is one of the most difficult things.

Is that gross or net (after expenses?)

I wondered which this was too, but then a lot of people only work part time or low volume either because they prefer to or don't have the option because of school hours and so on. I haven't found I earn any significant amount more or less after overheads than when I first went full time just over ten years ago; the years I've earnt more (with a couple of exceptions) were the ones I spent more and it all tends to balance itself out.

I do agree with

My average rates don't take my age into account, either. I figure if someone finds me attractive, they'll pay as much to see me as they would someone half my age that they find attractive. I am not interested in being someone's bargain buy - I don't think punters think "I'd like to shag that hot young sexy 21-year-old but I have to replace the boiler so I'll bang that ugly old bag, instead."

A punter who wants to fuck a tall blonde teenager isn't going to book me no matter what my rates are and vice versa; nor would I want or expect them to. I'll also say that when it comes to simpering and touting on punting forums, I'd rather eat my own shit.

I think a lot depends on expectations; the 20K figure given above would be around 400 per week gross assuming nobody works 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year (and some people do seem to, judging by the Slow At The Minute thread) and I would think there must be a reasonable number of civvy jobs paying around that. If I never went anywhere and worked from home (so no hotels or flat to pay for) I could probably manage with it, although I certainly wouldn't be rich :)

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« Reply #10 on: 26 January 2018, 07:30:46 pm »
Actually, going back to the OP, I'm certain that 10K a year is below minimum wage and whilst I don't claim to know much about benefits or how they apply to self employed people I'm sure I've read on here that we're entitled to help with housing and council tax costs if we're below a certain threshold?

I know it's probably a bit late now but please make sure you get the right advice about what you can get if you're struggling, and dig your heels in if needs be - nobody should have to leave their home and be selling their things just to survive without at least trying every other possible avenue :).

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« Reply #11 on: 26 January 2018, 07:41:48 pm »
I think this is missing the point a bit - of course most civvy jobs don't pay ?100 ph, but most will pay a 36+ hour week every week, which can easily total more than sex work if you're not doing many bookings and having to pay most of it back out again for hotels, ads and so on. It's comparing apples and oranges; I've had weeks where I've earned 3K+ and others where I've earned 80 quid and I think the uncertainty is one of the most difficult things.

I wondered which this was too, but then a lot of people only work part time or low volume either because they prefer to or don't have the option because of school hours and so on. I haven't found I earn any significant amount more or less after overheads than when I first went full time just over ten years ago; the years I've earnt more (with a couple of exceptions) were the ones I spent more and it all tends to balance itself out.

I do agree with

A punter who wants to fuck a tall blonde teenager isn't going to book me no matter what my rates are and vice versa; nor would I want or expect them to. I'll also say that when it comes to simpering and touting on punting forums, I'd rather eat my own shit.

I think a lot depends on expectations; the 20K figure given above would be around 400 per week gross assuming nobody works 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year (and some people do seem to, judging by the Slow At The Minute thread) and I would think there must be a reasonable number of civvy jobs paying around that. If I never went anywhere and worked from home (so no hotels or flat to pay for) I could probably manage with it, although I certainly wouldn't be rich :)
Thank you amy. You understand. people act like we get bookinga every hour on the hour. If I was getting paid my hourly fee every hour on the hour i won't be complaining lol

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« Reply #12 on: 26 January 2018, 07:43:02 pm »
Actually, going back to the OP, I'm certain that 10K a year is below minimum wage and whilst I don't claim to know much about benefits or how they apply to self employed people I'm sure I've read on here that we're entitled to help with housing and council tax costs if we're below a certain threshold?

I know it's probably a bit late now but please make sure you get the right advice about what you can get if you're struggling, and dig your heels in if needs be - nobody should have to leave their home and be selling their things just to survive without at least trying every other possible avenue :).
Thank you. will deffo look into this x

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Re: What Money?
« Reply #13 on: 26 January 2018, 09:58:44 pm »
Escorting is very unstable, if you work from home and do good marketing and build a reputation and keep some regular customers, you can have more or less stability, but regular customers also get tired and look for new faces,so sometimes you have to take a break or travel and pay for hotels or apartments, advertising, travel expenses, etc. ... without knowing if it will be profitable.

Some weeks are really good and others are just horrible and I am not busy with bookings one hour after another every day that I work, after paying all bills I should always try to save some money to survive during bad weeks, a civvy job sometimes is quite hard, but in theory it is stable and you know what you are going to earn.

Escorting for me is good in the sense that it gives me independence, freedom of schedule and rules, with very good earning days that allow me to pay my bills and give myself some luxury, but if for any reason I can not work or because they are bad weeks then everything is unsettled and depend on what I have been able to save,so sometimes it?s not easy at all.

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Re: What Money?
« Reply #14 on: 26 January 2018, 10:58:06 pm »
I have a civvy job, along with escorting. I literally could not afford to live on this job alone. There's not a huge demand in my area, although I've got no 'competition' right now. Most of my clients come from bigger areas, such as Bristol or Cardiff, where there are lots of escorts. I'm only very part-time, so 7 bookings would be a nice earner. Some weeks I can have 10, other weeks I can have none at all. Marketing for an area with no escorts is also very difficult, as a lot of people driving for an hour won't look here.

Another thing to bear in mind is booking procedures. Some ladies aren't as fussy who they see and offer various channels of booking, thus have more earning potential. I've had to turn a few potential bookings away, as they didn't seem the type of client I particularly want to see. They could have been fine, but safety and lack of burnout is better than a few quid, in my opinion. Also, some working girls are managed by agencies or parlours, which take a huge cut, but could market to more clients overall. If you're in a parlour, you could potentially see 6 clients or so a day, so after fees could be at least ?400, if you're the new girl.