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Re: The mega brothel
« Reply #15 on: 01 February 2015, 12:01:26 pm »
Regarding the age thing I know, when I meet or hear of a girl who isn't even out of her teens and working I just think how awful that is and what it would do to your perceptions of the world, don't even get me started on men who will actually pay a teenager for sex, it's making my blood boil to write it. But I guess i can say this because I didn't hit on hard times til later, and I do think why make it any harder for these girls if they need to do this job
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« Reply #16 on: 01 February 2015, 02:28:09 pm »
Just finished it, and they suggested there were 100,000 prostitutes in the UK, so that's two punts per day for each of us! But agree the stats are virtually impossible to obtain accurately.

I also found it pretty depressing. I know the girls from poor countries can earn a lot of money, but at what cost to them? And what sort of impact do they have on clients and their impressions of us, if e.g. they can barely speak English and provide a crap service because they don't really want to be doing the job? I also get a bit annoyed that the issues of a naive, young girl from a less developed nation can be transferred to someone like me, who in her 40s decided entirely independently and willingly to take up the world's oldest profession. It just propogates the idea that we're all 'damaged' somehow, which IMHO is bollocks.

If I was PM I don't think I'd allow mega brothels, but up to say four WGs working from a premises at any one time, for safety.  I'd also maybe argue that the minimum legal age for a non-UK prostitute should be 21, to cut down on the potential abuse of vulnerable teenagers by pimps. But how to police anything like that??

This probably won't get much agreement from anyone here but I personally believe we have to have endured some damage to enter the sex industry. I think degrees can vary and maybe what I consider damage others would think was nothing. Not saying I'm right, can only go of my experiences and views but I do believe you don't just fall into this job with no triggers if that makes sense

I'm sorry you feel that way but you attitude is whorephobic at best and assumes we are victims. Please do not assume that sex work equates to being damaged goods.

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« Reply #17 on: 01 February 2015, 02:31:01 pm »
I think it's safe to say that the three girls they spoke to spoke German better than I do.  :D


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« Reply #18 on: 01 February 2015, 03:14:09 pm »

This probably won't get much agreement from anyone here but I personally believe we have to have endured some damage to enter the sex industry. I think degrees can vary and maybe what I consider damage others would think was nothing. Not saying I'm right, can only go of my experiences and views but I do believe you don't just fall into this job with no triggers if that makes sense

I'm sorry you feel that way but you attitude is whorephobic at best and assumes we are victims. Please do not assume that sex work equates to being damaged goods.

While I feel this is approaching the arguments-on-the-Internet territory, I have to agree with Claire. Not everyone has the same attitudes towards sex - that doesn't mean they are damaged in any way.

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« Reply #19 on: 01 February 2015, 03:18:28 pm »
Just finished it, and they suggested there were 100,000 prostitutes in the UK, so that's two punts per day for each of us! But agree the stats are virtually impossible to obtain accurately.

I also found it pretty depressing. I know the girls from poor countries can earn a lot of money, but at what cost to them? And what sort of impact do they have on clients and their impressions of us, if e.g. they can barely speak English and provide a crap service because they don't really want to be doing the job? I also get a bit annoyed that the issues of a naive, young girl from a less developed nation can be transferred to someone like me, who in her 40s decided entirely independently and willingly to take up the world's oldest profession. It just propogates the idea that we're all 'damaged' somehow, which IMHO is bollocks.

If I was PM I don't think I'd allow mega brothels, but up to say four WGs working from a premises at any one time, for safety.  I'd also maybe argue that the minimum legal age for a non-UK prostitute should be 21, to cut down on the potential abuse of vulnerable teenagers by pimps. But how to police anything like that??

This probably won't get much agreement from anyone here but I personally believe we have to have endured some damage to enter the sex industry. I think degrees can vary and maybe what I consider damage others would think was nothing. Not saying I'm right, can only go of my experiences and views but I do believe you don't just fall into this job with no triggers if that makes sense

I'm sorry you feel that way but you attitude is whorephobic at best and assumes we are victims. Please do not assume that sex work equates to being damaged goods.

You are aware I'm a prostitute too right? It's not whorephobic and I'm not making assumptions. I'm making an informed opinion on what I have witnessed first hand.
I did say I may not be correct, and I certainly haven't seen it all, none of us can claim to be right we can only go off what we have personally seen and that is my experience, so I disagree.
On the flip side though, show me an adult who doesn't have baggage. So maybe it's a case of if you look for something you'll find it...
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« Reply #20 on: 01 February 2015, 03:20:49 pm »
You are aware I'm a prostitute too right? It's not whorephobic and I'm not making assumptions. I'm making an informed opinion on what I have witnessed first hand.
I did say I may not be correct, and I certainly haven't seen it all, none of us can claim to be right we can only go off what we have personally seen and that is my experience, so I disagree.
On the flip side though, show me an adult who doesn't have baggage. So maybe it's a case of if you look for something you'll find it...

For the sake of accuracy, it's entirely possible to belong to a social group and still have a poor opinion of it.

I do agree with everyone having a baggage, though. I just don't see how that can be equated to being damaged, since that makes everyone damaged, and damaged the new normal.
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« Reply #21 on: 01 February 2015, 03:22:30 pm »

This probably won't get much agreement from anyone here but I personally believe we have to have endured some damage to enter the sex industry. I think degrees can vary and maybe what I consider damage others would think was nothing. Not saying I'm right, can only go of my experiences and views but I do believe you don't just fall into this job with no triggers if that makes sense

I'm sorry you feel that way but you attitude is whorephobic at best and assumes we are victims. Please do not assume that sex work equates to being damaged goods.

While I feel this is approaching the arguments-on-the-Internet territory, I have to agree with Claire. Not everyone has the same attitudes towards sex - that doesn't mean they are damaged in any way.

Yes maybe it is an attitude thing actually, I know we've differed before as you're poly if I remember rightly? Or at least a lot more liberal than me! So I agree, I guess for me I respect polygamy (I respect anyone's choices) I just can't get my head round it, I suppose if I can't understand it I probably won't notice it
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« Reply #22 on: 01 February 2015, 03:26:29 pm »
You are aware I'm a prostitute too right? It's not whorephobic and I'm not making assumptions. I'm making an informed opinion on what I have witnessed first hand.
I did say I may not be correct, and I certainly haven't seen it all, none of us can claim to be right we can only go off what we have personally seen and that is my experience, so I disagree.
On the flip side though, show me an adult who doesn't have baggage. So maybe it's a case of if you look for something you'll find it...

For the sake of accuracy, it's entirely possible to belong to a social group and still have a poor opinion of it.

I do agree with everyone having a baggage, though. I just don't see how that can be equated to being damaged, since that makes everyone damaged, and damaged the new normal.

I don't feel my opinion of prostitutes is poor, I would never see us as victims but I do think the majority are damaged I some way, you can be damaged and not a victim

I'm starting to see maybe there are more prostitutes than I thought that aren't damaged now you mention the attitude difference, such as poly etc. That makes sense
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« Reply #23 on: 01 February 2015, 03:27:13 pm »

This probably won't get much agreement from anyone here but I personally believe we have to have endured some damage to enter the sex industry. I think degrees can vary and maybe what I consider damage others would think was nothing. Not saying I'm right, can only go of my experiences and views but I do believe you don't just fall into this job with no triggers if that makes sense

I'm sorry you feel that way but you attitude is whorephobic at best and assumes we are victims. Please do not assume that sex work equates to being damaged goods.

While I feel this is approaching the arguments-on-the-Internet territory, I have to agree with Claire. Not everyone has the same attitudes towards sex - that doesn't mean they are damaged in any way.

Yes maybe it is an attitude thing actually, I know we've differed before as you're poly if I remember rightly? Or at least a lot more liberal than me! So I agree, I guess for me I respect polygamy (I respect anyone's choices) I just can't get my head round it, I suppose if I can't understand it I probably won't notice it

I'd say it's definitely in the attitude towards those things, aye. And you remember correctly, I prefer polyamorous arrangements. My current relationship is "closed" romantically and open sexually due to my partner's unease with true poly setups, and I consider this the bare minimum I need to be happy in any given relationship. Being stuck in a sexually closed, monogamous setup makes me feel incredibly socially claustrophobic, causes me to lose interest in sex and ends up with me growing cold and detached towards the partner. Did the proper monogamous route two times for a total of 4 years, never again. >.<

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« Reply #24 on: 01 February 2015, 03:32:56 pm »
Just finished it, and they suggested there were 100,000 prostitutes in the UK, so that's two punts per day for each of us! But agree the stats are virtually impossible to obtain accurately.

I also found it pretty depressing. I know the girls from poor countries can earn a lot of money, but at what cost to them? And what sort of impact do they have on clients and their impressions of us, if e.g. they can barely speak English and provide a crap service because they don't really want to be doing the job? I also get a bit annoyed that the issues of a naive, young girl from a less developed nation can be transferred to someone like me, who in her 40s decided entirely independently and willingly to take up the world's oldest profession. It just propogates the idea that we're all 'damaged' somehow, which IMHO is bollocks.

If I was PM I don't think I'd allow mega brothels, but up to say four WGs working from a premises at any one time, for safety.  I'd also maybe argue that the minimum legal age for a non-UK prostitute should be 21, to cut down on the potential abuse of vulnerable teenagers by pimps. But how to police anything like that??

This probably won't get much agreement from anyone here but I personally believe we have to have endured some damage to enter the sex industry. I think degrees can vary and maybe what I consider damage others would think was nothing. Not saying I'm right, can only go of my experiences and views but I do believe you don't just fall into this job with no triggers if that makes sense

I'm sorry you feel that way but you attitude is whorephobic at best and assumes we are victims. Please do not assume that sex work equates to being damaged goods.

You are aware I'm a prostitute too right? It's not whorephobic and I'm not making assumptions. I'm making an informed opinion on what I have witnessed first hand.
I did say I may not be correct, and I certainly haven't seen it all, none of us can claim to be right we can only go off what we have personally seen and that is my experience, so I disagree.
On the flip side though, show me an adult who doesn't have baggage. So maybe it's a case of if you look for something you'll find it...

Yes, aware that you work as a prostitite and working as a sex worker does  not exclude someone from having whorephobic opinions. I agree we all see different things but does not mean to say I can't disagree that damaged is too strongly put nor applicable to everyone.

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« Reply #25 on: 01 February 2015, 03:33:52 pm »

This probably won't get much agreement from anyone here but I personally believe we have to have endured some damage to enter the sex industry. I think degrees can vary and maybe what I consider damage others would think was nothing. Not saying I'm right, can only go of my experiences and views but I do believe you don't just fall into this job with no triggers if that makes sense

I'm sorry you feel that way but you attitude is whorephobic at best and assumes we are victims. Please do not assume that sex work equates to being damaged goods.

While I feel this is approaching the arguments-on-the-Internet territory, I have to agree with Claire. Not everyone has the same attitudes towards sex - that doesn't mean they are damaged in any way.

Yes maybe it is an attitude thing actually, I know we've differed before as you're poly if I remember rightly? Or at least a lot more liberal than me! So I agree, I guess for me I respect polygamy (I respect anyone's choices) I just can't get my head round it, I suppose if I can't understand it I probably won't notice it

I'd say it's definitely in the attitude towards those things, aye. And you remember correctly, I prefer polyamorous arrangements. My current relationship is "closed" romantically and open sexually due to my partner's unease with true poly setups, and I consider this the bare minimum I need to be happy in any given relationship. Being stuck in a sexually closed, monogamous setup makes me feel incredibly socially claustrophobic, causes me to lose interest in sex and ends up with me growing cold and detached towards the partner. Did the proper monogamous route two times for a total of 4 years, never again. >.<

If it's not too personal can I ask what age bracket you're in? By that I'm just curious if you're older (than me I suppose) do you think things like being poly take time to figure out and be comfortable with, or am I just living in a really sheltered environment? It does interest me, I guess it all comes down to attachment style doesn't it
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Re: The mega brothel
« Reply #26 on: 01 February 2015, 04:32:28 pm »
Can we stay on topic folks, please? I'll be the first to admit that I haven't read the thread, but I know it's supposed to be about a TV programme.

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« Reply #27 on: 03 February 2015, 10:36:56 am »
Lifting the mood somewhat...

Why they all walkin' round naked?!

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« Reply #28 on: 03 February 2015, 12:33:19 pm »
Lifting the mood somewhat...

Why they all walkin' round naked?!
Look before you buy?!

I wouldn't want to work in a place like this. You're there all day without a guarantee of making money.
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« Reply #29 on: 04 February 2015, 01:07:32 am »
Finally got around to watching this. It doesn't hide it's 'anti' position very well, does it? Interestingly, despite lines like "no pretending prostitution isn't an ugly business" and talking about the need to "scrape the sheets clean", it calls the women "girls". I wonder if that's denying agency or suggesting child prostitution.

It also seems to think that prostitution is illegal in the UK... and it can't make its mind up whether the chain it's about is a success (owner's "mansion", 4.5 million Euro spend opening somewhere new) or a flop (relying on one fortnight for its profits and having a poor one).

They pointedly don''t talk about how much the kitchen staff get per hour, do they? There's also no comment that 127 Euro a day, including accommodation, is typically less than a 50% split of the money (often with tips on top).

So if she'd been working there for her four years even at 50 Euro a time, Josie would have made 400 Euro a day after the fees and taxes. If the average payment was double that, the daily profit is more than doubles.

The estimates sound odd. A million men paying a day in Germany would mean, given a population of about 80m, about 5% of adult men paying every day. The 50 Euro a time figure probably comes from that figure and the annual total spend estimate of 18 billion Euro. But 'garbage in, garbage out' applies.

Speaking of which... 90% forced to work in the sex trade by pimps? Get lost! No commentary on the way 800 police raiding brothels resulted in, gasp, five arrests on suspicion of trafficking or pimping might suggest that figure is rubbish.

Also not mentioned is the way that smoking is going to kill more of the people featured than anything prostitution related...
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