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Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« on: 07 August 2010, 06:49:23 pm »
@jackofkent on Twitter just tweeted this story. Nice to know the police like to "shame" people who have not broken any law. Ho hum

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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #1 on: 07 August 2010, 09:21:23 pm »
I heard about this, too. It's appalling. And it's made the police involved in "Operation Monaco" look like a bunch of complete fools.

It's horrid overall, but still vaguely amusing that the women wrongly accused managed such cutting put-downs despite the trial they'd just been though. "Too much Diary of a Call Girl", quite!

As far as 'cleaning up' before the Olympics goes - what a stupid idea. Legal, indoor, independent prostitution has got to be one of the most inoffensive things ever. We advertise online so no one who doesn't go looking has to see anything! Ugh. No point preaching to the choir, anyway, this stuff just makes me ranty.
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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #2 on: 08 August 2010, 07:54:45 am »
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If the police continue to behave like this, none of the women doing sex work will speak to them if they do have information about any crimes.

was it not too long ago i was recommending against involving police in certain affairs, namely this one?

Thats exactly why I dont trust those conniving, power-charged, self-entitled, arrogant, hard nosed, discriminatory, racists, sexist, predjudice, anti-gayist, anti-prostitutist, but probably get bum f*cked in the ass mother f***ers. How can someone with the same authority to 'protect' be the same ones to out a bunch of innocent, hard-working women? How!

And I guess that also throws out the idea about business cards  ::)

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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #3 on: 08 August 2010, 09:35:42 am »
This post doesn't suprise me at all to be truthful.
Last month my agency sent 2 of the girls to work from a hotel in a nearby town and the management caught on to what was going on and called the police. The police were very unpleasant to the girls, one even asked them if they were 'whoring it?' :o They then took their photographs and told them they were going to forward their details to every other hotel in the city.
Now i would have thought that in order to take your photo you would need to be arrested? Certainly nobody would have been getting my picture without an arrest and a solicitor present.
Think they were just praying on the fact that the girls were young, naive and didn't have a clue, either way disgusting behaviour. It hardly builds my confidence that if i had to go to the police over a work related matter i would be treated fairly.

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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #4 on: 08 August 2010, 09:41:55 am »
was it not too long ago i was recommending against involving police in certain affairs, namely this one?

Joey, I really wish you wouldn't say things like that on a public safety forum for sex workers. In the UK at least, there has actually been a very positive trend towards police taking reports of violence/robbery etc against sex workers seriously. It's a movement that I hope will continue as sex workers, hopefully, become more powerful as a group and attain the rights and respect that any workers should get.

Speaking out loudly against bad treatment and promoting discussion about the issues involved, as the article linked to does, is good. Bitterly complaining about bad treatment has its place, too, but not in a forum where a newbie might read what you say and take it to heart that he or she should be afraid of the police. If you're going to make a statement like the one above, please make it a more constructive one - if you're afraid of going to the police, for example, then perhaps involvement with one of the organisations which focus on protecting and supporting vulnerable sex workers might be a great help? Perhaps seeking support from friends in the industry would be good?

Of course there is injustice in the world but I think here, especially, we can afford to foster a positive attitude.
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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #5 on: 08 August 2010, 10:29:12 am »
Hi

I am horrified by this  :o I feel for the polish ladies I really do  :'(

H xx


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« Reply #6 on: 11 August 2010, 08:25:06 am »
Joey, I really wish you wouldn't say things like that on a public safety forum for sex workers. In the UK at least, there has actually been a very positive trend towards police taking reports of violence/robbery etc against sex workers seriously.

Oh really? Well how can I believe that when someone else just said:

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This post doesn't suprise me at all to be truthful.
Last month my agency sent 2 of the girls to work from a hotel in a nearby town and the management caught on to what was going on and called the police. The police were very unpleasant to the girls, one even asked them if they were 'whoring it?'

I dont care what reports police take down. Thats exactly that...reports. I've had police take reports for me too when I was going thru all that hell after being hit by a drunk driver. But they didnt do SHIT. I had to do most of the work. Fact of the matter is, they are not our friends, our buddies, or our 'helping hands'. I can think of other ways of dealing with issues than getting police involved. Yes, if someone is intentionally out to hurt us, f*ck yeah...lock his/her ass up!

Do you seriously think Im going to believe otherwise after reading this article and what Simone mentioned? That'd be STUPID
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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #7 on: 11 August 2010, 08:59:23 am »
Do you seriously think Im going to believe otherwise after reading this article and what Simone mentioned? That'd be STUPID

Stupid to only take into account two examples before dismissing the entire option of reporting a crime against you to the police? Yes, I think so.

SAAFE isn't the place for hysteria, Joey. We need to try to keep things balanced rather than doing our best to frighten newbies off - someone could be reading this and worrying about going to the police about a psychotic stalker or something right now. I just want them to know that there are positive options out there as well as Joey's dramatic denouncement of all law enforcement.

And don't you dare start recommending "other ways of dealing with issues than getting the police involved" - if by that you mean, going vigilante and trying to assault your attacker right back. That's a horribly dangerous and irresponsible thing to say.

But if you mean something like getting in touch with an appropriate organisation, one geared towards helping sex workers in vulnerable positions to receive justice, support and advice, then good. :)
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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #8 on: 11 August 2010, 09:50:36 am »
Yes it would be unwise to take the example i mentioned as a representation of Nationwide police attitudes to WGs. I suspect attitudes vary depending upon whereabouts in the country you are living.
Also its a second hand account and i have never actually dealt with the police in my area. I do believe that in my neck of the woods the police are rather misinformed about escorting and precisely which laws ladies may or may not be breaking. On the other hand though if i was being stalked, threatened etc i would still get the appropriate authorities involved if i felt it was required.

The situation in the USA however could well be a different kettle of fish. I think we need to remember that as sex work is illegal there Joey is going to encounter the attitude from law enforcement that he is a 'criminal' . So his dim view of the police is int suprising really when that is taken into account.

Advising people take matters into their own hands is unwise though, its the best way of guaranteeing you yourself definitely will end up on the wrong side of the law and possibly hurt into the bargain.


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Re: Sex workers 'named and shamed'
« Reply #9 on: 11 August 2010, 11:17:46 am »
I had dealings with the Metropolitain Police many moons ago, they were great.  A client went to  Paddington Green Police station and told them my flatmate and I had robbed him using a weapon (we hadn't, he couldn't come and wouldn't leave so she poked him with her phone while he was ranting). They did kick the door off, but after they acertained the situation they were perfectly normal, no attitude whatsoever and really quite supportive. They even fixed the door and gave the stupid guy a lovely telling off in front off us. At the same time, a friend of mine was attacked in a hotel room, the police were again very supportive.

The police attitude does vary, but in England the law doesn't. If you are in danger, the police are your first port of call. As far as I am aware there is a huge campaign in America to retrain the police in their approach as they have a massive child trafficking problem. Hopefully, change will happen in some states at least.

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« Reply #10 on: 12 August 2010, 12:11:30 am »
But if you mean something like getting in touch with an appropriate organisation, one geared towards helping sex workers in vulnerable positions to receive justice, support and advice, then good. :)

Well, yes...thats what I was referring to. Organizations. By no means was I referring to hiring a bodyguard rather than a driver or taking kickboxing classes  ;)