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General Category => Blather and Babble => Topic started by: DaisyDuck on 20 May 2017, 12:20:02 pm
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Something I have discovered is that men can't actually feel a condom if they don't see it. I learned that doing blindfolded tie and tease. If you can sneak the condom on with your mouth and don't let them see the condom, they won't know that it's there.
So, those guys who say that they don't like condoms and it doesn't feel as good are wrong. They can't actually feel it if they don't see it. It does help to use condoms of the right size - they'll feel it if it's very tight.
Anyway last week I sneaked condoms onto every client who was lying back getting a blow job. I had it hidden in my mouth then popped it on during OWO. I then would climb up and start kissing them and went let them go inside of me. All of them happily came "inside" me. Not one of them objected. One guy wanted to change to doggy and noticed it then and commented on it being there. "When did you put this on me?"
About a dozen men this was. After they'd cum I would say, "Did you know you've had a condom on the whole time?" and all of them were surprised to hear it. One of them said, "but I thought you offered OWO?" - ie, he was only concerned that perhaps I had tricked him out of the OWO. That he had thought he was fucking bareback and had supposedly ejaculated inside me didn't phase him at all.
There were a couple of them who I couldn't conceal it from for various reasons. But if they were lying back and I had the opportunity, they didn't notice and they didn't object.
It really made me lose respect for them, though. I had a hard time being my usual warm self for the rest of the booking so I don't think I'll do that anymore.
I'm just aware now that they're not to be trusted at all. It feels a bit rubbish.
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Genius!
Men are definitely not to be trusted. I don't believe there is a premeditated intention for barebacking by the majority of clients. There have been studies that many men lose control of logic during sex, as they are taken over by more primitive reproductive instincts.
There are limitations in those studies and I don't think the above is a rule as I have met many men who are in full control of themselves during sex. But, I agree with you. Don't trust them!
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Depressing, but not surprising to me. I have stopped being amazed at the number of people (men and women) who happily have unprotected sex with randoms, using all kind of rationalisations to justify it to themselves.
I remember 30 odd years ago when the seatbelt law came in. People would say all kinds of shit as an excuse not to wear a seatbelt. "It creases my shirt" and similar. But nowadays we're all used to it and I can't remember the last time I saw someone not wear one.
So maybe in another 30 or so years protected sex will be the norm. Because the younger generation seem to realise it's a requirement, all of the guys who have asked me for bareback (and have been subjected to one of my lectures as a result) have been 40 or over.
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It's awful isn't it?
I do the condom on with the mouth thing but never did an experiment! A lot of them make out their sexual health is important to them and that they get checked out regularly but I really don't think many of them do. Just look a reverse bookings for example, if I ever get a last minute cancellation I always look at reverse bookings to see if I can fill the slot and the amount of members asking for bareback and getting a high amount of bids is astounding.
It's best to just take great care in our own health, get checked regularly, use protection for sex and assume every client you come into contact with is doing bareback, that's what I do. X
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This is very interesting, I am sorely tempted to try it out myself as I have long suspected that some men who profess to staying safe would take risks given the chance with the right person. I am not an expert at putting on the condom with my mouth so not sure I could pull it off (oooooh that was a pun and a half!!!) but may pick my moment and man and give it a go.
As for clients getting checked out, I have hardly ever asked if they do but again suspect barely any unless they had a scare. They seem to think we are the only ones who should be queuing up at the clinic on a regular basis when they are just as likely to need regular checks if they see wgs.
I occasionally do a tie/tease service and they are blindfolded too so that would be my chance to experiment.
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It's awful isn't it?
I do the condom on with the mouth thing but never did an experiment! A lot of them make out their sexual health is important to them and that they get checked out regularly but I really don't think many of them do. Just look a reverse bookings for example, if I ever get a last minute cancellation I always look at reverse bookings to see if I can fill the slot and the amount of members asking for bareback and getting a high amount of bids is astounding.
It's best to just take great care in our own health, get checked regularly, use protection for sex and assume every client you come into contact with is doing bareback, that's what I do. X
I wonder why they would risk their lives to feel a bit of pussy ? Its crazy, maybe they think AIDS is an epidemic that happened in the 80s ....
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Since I posted (rather than edit I am doing this) I have given it more thought.
I still think it is a good idea but to do this with a regular client could instigate unpleasantness, he thinks I am barebacking and gets a shock, I then explain what I have done and god knows what reaction the good guys would have. If they think it is a test (which it is) I doubt they would book me again.
How to get out of that one?
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If guys think they can get away with it they will.
Had a guy a couple of weeks ago whose bare cock was touching my clit when he was kissing me. Felt like he was pushing his luck by getting it nearer my pussy. I had to grab a condom otherwise it felt like he was going to slip it in.
Problem is guys when horny don't think with their brain.
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It really is depressing.
It's always old white guys who try to sneak it in/rub on you.
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It's always old white guys who try to sneak it in/rub on you.
Yes definitely. My younger black and asian clients never try any of this shit.
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a lot of men have that problem, that condoms give them, they cant come with a condom so end up with other means.. i will give it the test lol...
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It really is depressing.
It's always old white guys who try to sneak it in/rub on you.
I've always said the old ones are the worst, I say it to them, I feel like Im playing twister with them whilst doing massage, their hands try to get in places I have deliberately made impossible for them to reach, but they give it their all in trying :o
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Mines mainly Indian men and Asians. It was becoming such a problem that I had to write it on my profile I do not allow genital to genital contact and anyone pushing for this will be asked to leave. Also Nigerian men are absolutely terrible for it. The frequent excuse of complaining how the condom doesn't fit their jumbo hot dogs. And ripping off condones during appointments. Hence why I have now refused to see them. I don't see guys of over 55 so have never had a problem with older white guys. I didn't used to be so particular about who I saw but since I have had clients taking advantages and making me feel uncomfortable and like I want to scrub my skin off after a booking for my own peace of mind and to avoid any bad memories I put criteria in place. Some people I hav met are truly lovely amazing people but some others ruin it for potentially good clients and I'm willing to risk that rather than risk my own happiness and peace of mind. Xx
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Yeah, I think we'll move on from the casual racism (and I do mean all of it) now please. It's not really what the thread starter was about and it's unpleasant to read.
I only do covered oral anyway and putting on the condom with my mouth is my go to, but thinking about it I've had a few say at the end they never noticed me doing so and it's made me wonder why they left it until them to ask? I suppose I assumed they knew I'd have done something because they would know that it would be condom on before the blowjob, but I think I've only been asked once by somebody who didn't notice and panicked a bit.
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Yeah, I think we'll move on from the casual racism (and I do mean all of it) now please. It's not really what the thread starter was about and it's unpleasant to read.
I only do covered oral anyway and putting on the condom with my mouth is my go to, but thinking about it I've had a few say at the end they never noticed me doing so and it's made me wonder why they left it until them to ask? I suppose I assumed they knew I'd have done something because they would know that it would be condom on before the blowjob, but I think I've only been asked once by somebody who didn't notice and panicked a bit.
I would hope when they say they did not notice, that they knew that they were wearing one during penetration, but kind of looked down and in their mind thought crikey I did not realize she slipped one on me, but they did not wan to mention it to the end to prevent "spoiling" the moment.
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I would hope when they say they did not notice, that they knew that they were wearing one during penetration, but kind of looked down and in their mind thought crikey I did not realize she slipped one on me, but they did not wan to mention it to the end to prevent "spoiling" the moment.
Oh yes, I'm pretty sure a few did :). I did have one go to stop me once too which I didn't really think about at the time but reading the rest of this it seems uncommon?
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How do you get it unrolled down their shaft with your mouth? Or can you only do it with no hands if they are relatively small? I'd say at least 50% of my clients I can't get enough of their dick in my mouth to fully put a condom on.
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I've just ordered some sagami condoms apparently they are the closest thing to wearing nothing and virtually undetectable. Can't wait to give them a whizz. For ladies that don't do owo it may well be a great thing to give a go. You can buy on amazon. Xx
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I tried. It costs more, no difference. Ordinary condoms are just as good.
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I tried one of the so called super thin condoms a few months ago with a regular. He couldn't tell any difference between the usual ones.
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Hmmm. I'll see what I think. Xx
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I tried. It costs more, no difference. Ordinary condoms are just as good.
Another 'meh' vote from me - I found Sagami a poor fit and they rustle. If I was going to recommend one for thinness it would be Pasante Unique, but they're so unlike standard condoms I only really bring them out if a punter is struggling with Skyns - it's a pity because they're great (and they have a flared bit around the base which covers more skin too so helps protect from herpes and genital warts). Maybe I'll persevere with them a bit more :).
I keep the condom tucked in my stocking top so I can easily unwrap it then just plonk it on - if you do OW then you get used to applying them when they're only semi hard and the easiest way is to keep your head still and suck to 'draw' the penis into the condom rather than try to unroll it by moving downwards if that makes sense? You can hold it steady with your hands, too - there's no rule that says you can't use them at all. I do change them before penetration if they've been on longer than a few minutes or I've got a dribbler :-X.
Back on topic, I remember a member posting here years ago that she'd done a similar (sort of) experiment with her AW ad where she ticked the 'bareback' option on her page just to see what would happen and reported back. Apparently her phone rang nonstop until she changed it and she had more emails than she could answer all in the space of about 24 hours.
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I've tried sagamis and I wasn't impressed!For a start they are very small and tight a bit like trim condoms and so no good for anybody over about 5 inches who doesn't have a pencil dick!
I also noticed that on even about 5 to 6 inches it doesn't quite roll down to the bottom of the shaft which is no good really in my opinion but beyond that I found them bloody fiddly to roll down and the last time I used one (this was my 3rd try witj them on an average sized knob) the bloody thing split on me!When I looked properly not just at the split one but a brand new one sagamis actually seem to have virtually no teat at the end for the cum to go into to and so if you have a reasonably heavy cummer I think this is what may cause it to rip!
So am not bothering anymore.
I think the condom thing is mostly a mental thing.I accept that things are slightly numbed but most blokes can feel enough to cum in one,I just think for some they think about the barrier too much and so it becomes a bigger barrier.
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I've just ordered some sagami condoms apparently they are the closest thing to wearing nothing and virtually undetectable. Can't wait to give them a whizz. For ladies that don't do owo it may well be a great thing to give a go. You can buy on amazon. Xx
I've also been interested in these to see if they're any good! Let me know how it goes for you if you can! A regular of mine says he used them twice with another escort and loved them but he hasn't bought any since as his wife nearly opened the package lol! X
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I've read that Sagami 001s are too small for many non-Asians (they're a Japanese brand), and the 002 larges are only average. Given the rustling, price and mixed reviews, don't think I'll bother, though I wouldn't object to a client bringing their own.
I'm convinced that a lot of condom stuff is psychological. I've done experiments and some men noticed no or little difference between Skyns and others, or EXS Air/Durex Invisible and more traditional condoms. If anything I think the size/fit makes more of a difference than the thickness in many cases.
I only look at RBs on AW once every few weeks, but I'd say at least 40 percent now want bareback. I even saw one last time where he said that if you didn't list BB on your profile, he wouldn't mention it in any review. So thoughtful...
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There's a condom discussion/recommendation thread here (http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=25237.0) for those who want to continue the debate, and whilst I don't have the time or the inclination to start picking out the posts here which belong in it, lets please try to keep the relevant stuff together? I don't think the OP posted the thread to discuss condom preferences; in fact I'm certain she didn't :).
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This is on topic: they may notice a *tight* condom.
I use a size up. Not so they're baggy. Just comfortable. I almost never use "trim" size, except as finger cots for prostate massage. I put passant regular on the small/average and King Size on the generous/average. Big cocks get super Kings, which look like sombreros.
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I think you're right GingerBeer and a tight condom will be uncomfortable. I mis-judged once with a guy and put one on which was too small. We started fucking and then he said I'm sorry this is really too tight, do you have anything larger. So they can definitely feel a tight condom.
I also think Kay is spot on with it being psychological. I've seen some guys' erections wilt as soon as I reach for the pack. They just have this perception in their mind that condoms dull sensation and that they won't get hard enough to fuck. I did invest in some female condoms for guys like that but so far I've only used one as in most cases I offer to finish them off with OWO and they're happy with that.
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I also think Kay is spot on with it being psychological. I've seen some guys' erections wilt as soon as I reach for the pack. They just have this perception in their mind that condoms dull sensation and that they won't get hard enough to fuck. I did invest in some female condoms for guys like that but so far I've only used one as in most cases I offer to finish them off with OWO and they're happy with that.
So much of it is psychological - it's sometimes surprising how a dick can go from fully hard to soft in the few seconds it takes me to reach for a condom.
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Yeah I find the same too how they go soft so quickly. Saw one guy the other day who started going soft during sex although he was hard for most of the session. Took the condom off and sucked his cock and he was hard in no time.
Thought it was just me so glad I'm not the only one who experiences this.
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I can never elegantly put a condom on with my mouth. Can someone kindly explain, step by step, how this can be achieved?
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I think the condom thing is mostly a mental thing.I accept that things are slightly numbed but most blokes can feel enough to cum in one,I just think for some they think about the barrier too much and so it becomes a bigger barrier.
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The important point is that guys shouldn't expect bareback because it's not fair on us. Nobody can keep going back to the sexual health clinic every week. If girls want to do it, none of my business. I was asked for bareback of late. He said, he was checked out a year ago. I assumed that that was when last time he barebacked an escort. He wasn't making any issues when I declined. He was a nice guy. Then he messaged me, saying thank you for a great time after a day or two. I thought it was odd to leave a day or two.
Apparently, he went to another escort next day. I presumed he wanted bareback. ::) Not sure how much he paid extra for it.
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I am also of the opinion that dislike of wearing condoms is largely psychological.
We have all probably had some experience with clients who do not have a chronic problem but occasionally could not get hard, or could get hard but not come at all, due to nerves or stress.
I also recall a news article about a study that men can even orgasm mentally without physical stimulation. Sleep orgasms is an example, so obviously there is a large psychological aspect.
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How do u put a condom on using only your mouth? I have a problem getting the damn packet open!!!
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Only read the OP's post here but I think if I did the same experiment, especially with BJ's, my clients would notice it. I love giving BJ's and personally I don't enjoy giving BJ's with condoms and know that when I slip a condom on my clients notice it immediately.
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How do u put a condom on using only your mouth? I have a problem getting the damn packet open!!!
Never tried to explain before but basically place it on your tongue with the right side down and then push it on with your lips, or sometimes your teeth lol
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Never tried to explain before but basically place it on your tongue with the right side down and then push it on with your lips, or sometimes your teeth lol
I don't mean to sidetrack the original post, but does this work all the time with all girth sizes if the condom is also the right size? I noticed there are a few videos online demonstrating! Might give it a go.
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I make a slight incision into the condom packet before they walk through the door,so I am not squabbling to open the packet in front of them then I place the tip of the condom on their bellend with my mouth and then I part roll it with my mouth and part with my hand like I am gently wanking them,then I make sure the air is out of the teat with my lips and tongue,so they are getting stimulation the whole time it is going on.
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It's a lot easier to do when they're hard already.
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I make a slight incision into the condom packet before they walk through the door,so I am not squabbling to open the packet in front of them then I place the tip of the condom on their bellend with my mouth and then I part roll it with my mouth and part with my hand like I am gently wanking them,then I make sure the air is out of the teat with my lips and tongue,so they are getting stimulation the whole time it is going on.
This is exactly how I put one on too except I don't put an incision in the packet as I don't know what condom he will need yet!
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I must confess that before I started working as an escort I never used condoms. Used to go for an contraception jab and the nurse would give me condoms too which either got thrown away or into the back of a draw.
I do get a lot of requests for bareback sex and do offer owo but would never tell someone I was willing to do something then secretly do something else. I am surprised guys are not upset at being fooled
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I must confess that before I started working as an escort I never used condoms. Used to go for an contraception jab and the nurse would give me condoms too which either got thrown away or into the back of a draw.
I do get a lot of requests for bareback sex and do offer owo but would never tell someone I was willing to do something then secretly do something else. I am surprised guys are not upset at being fooled
Who is being fooled?The O.P didn't agree to give bareback to any of these clients.She popped a condom on while giving oral then had sex with them.As she presumably doesn't offer bareback none of these clients could have expected it.
All she did was secretly put the condom on without them noticing it was going on to see if they actually thought she was having bareback.The only person who was fooling anybody was the client themselves because they didn't notice that the condom had gone on already.
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Miss understood what she meant then.
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It really is depressing.
It's always old white guys who try to sneak it in/rub on you.
I wouldn't say that from my experience.
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Some other questiond as I'm interested in trying this as well.
1. How did you have the condom on with you before the action started? I typically have them next to the bed and when they get undressed, then I get to see which size condoms to use.
2. How did you get it into the mouth before blowing them without the punter noticing?
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I find with some of my clients they get instantly hard when i do owo but as soon as I put on condom they start losing it.
Same with sex after they have been going a while. End up having to take it off and give more owo then they Preston instant erection. I asked one about this and he said oral with dulls the sensation and he doesn't feel any pleasure so doesn't see girls who do oral with as he doesn't enjoy it.
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I sometimes find it so difficult to put a condom on using just my hands! It gets caught or tangled and I end up having to pick it out from under itself using my nails - crikey!
Mouth application all the way ;D
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Some other questiond as I'm interested in trying this as well.
1. How did you have the condom on with you before the action started? I typically have them next to the bed and when they get undressed, then I get to see which size condoms to use.
2. How did you get it into the mouth before blowing them without the punter noticing?
I'm always reaching into my bedside drawer for toys and lube. They're pretty distracted. I palmed the condom and kept it out of view.