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General Category => Blather and Babble => Topic started by: Georgie on 30 July 2019, 10:35:09 pm
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It’s on now is anyone else watching it?
Main character about to start sex working indoors.
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Is that the one with Samantha Morton? It looks interesting...
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I recorded it so will watch it tonight.
Bet it portrays her as the most marginalised human being, the usual drama!
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My conclusion was that she should have gone straight to sex work instead of borrowing money of that psycho/loan shark neighbour.
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I think a lot of people wouldn’t even consider sex work due to the stigma it still has, I know a lot of my friends/family would rather get a Provident loan
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My conclusion was that she should have gone straight to sex work instead of borrowing money of that psycho/loan shark neighbour.
Same here. Also wondered why her mate went back to cleaning. Then again, they made cleaning the big look a better option what with the standard sad music during the sex work scenes and all.
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Sex work is being portrayed as this last resort, botton of he barrel thing women fall when they have no other option. Clearly prostitute=victim. Just what we needed with the nordic model breathing down our necks. ???
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Watching it now wish sex work isn’t always portrayed negatively. Like I’m seen on a few dramas single mums doing it for their kids but not wanting to
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Anyone know a production company ? We could do this ourselves since no one seems to want to out there, haha! Imagine they actually showed it from our sides of the story? I’d watch that and rewatch that.
I can’t bring myself to watch yet another ‘drama’ where they portray this time old profession as a ‘last resort’ ‘dirty’ ‘bottom of the barrel’ type thing. It’s infuriating and just sad tbh. >:( :(
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I think a lot of people wouldn’t even consider sex work due to the stigma it still has, I know a lot of my friends/family would rather get a Provident loan
Would those same people consider sex work if it were not stigmatised? Meaning: would they not choose it as an option because "Oh what would people think"? or because they just don;t fancy having sex with strangers end of? I know quite a few around me feeling completely miserable because they work in a fast food place for minimum wage and hate their job. Doing that was a "last resort". And unlike Kirsty they can't pay back their debts. So far nobody is speaking about banning fast food. Of course they don;t make documentaries/movies about them because there's no sex involve and that's boring.
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Would those same people consider sex work if it were not stigmatised? Meaning: would they not choose it as an option because "Oh what would people think"? or because they just don;t fancy having sex with strangers end of? I know quite a few around me feeling completely miserable because they work in a fast food place for minimum wage and hate their job. Doing that was a "last resort". And unlike Kirsty they can't pay back their debts. So far nobody is speaking about banning fast food. Of course they don;t make documentaries/movies about them because there's no sex involve and that's boring.
EXACTLY. No one campaigns for menial jobs to be banned where IMO people are truly exploited and payed next to nothing. Boo hoo no ones interested.
It's hypocrisy pure and simple.
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I did just watch this .
I felt quite like crying watching her struggles .
Seemed she was at her wits end to start sex work and didn't enjoy one bit of it .
There are far worse jobs than sex work yet society see it as the lowest of the low.
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The movie did not even show us how she knew where to advertise and start up not saying they have to even say the sites but at least if we was shown her friend telling her how to start up get a phone etc go online. But it skipped to her getting ready for a booking.
I recognised the hotel they filmed in based in w.a.t.f.o.r.d m.e.r.c.u.r.e. hotel.
I think her friend still does it on the side but did not want to say she still in the business.
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The neighbour that lent her the cash was acting like a loan shark wasn’t he?! I would never have given him extra because these types of things are meant to be discussed before you accept a loan, this is where it was very unrealistic, she hardly knew the guy and only said hello to him when they were both picking up the kids from school so why on earth wouldn’t you discuss the repayment plan for the loan?! It was a good drama but as usual, then very unrealistic in that way.
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I did just watch this .
I felt quite like crying watching her struggles .
Seemed she was at her wits end to start sex work and didn't enjoy one bit of it .
There are far worse jobs than sex work yet society see it as the lowest of the low.
I understand where your coming from but having to start sex work when your already feeling so low isn’t nice at all and I can relate to her that way, it took me years to get my head around it but then I didn’t work for myself right away and that made all the difference.
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The movie did not even show us how she knew where to advertise and start up not saying they have to even say the sites but at least if we was shown her friend telling her how to start up get a phone etc go online. But it skipped to her getting ready for a booking.
The whole idea is to portray prostitution as a desperate, last resort were the not-too -smart women can end if they're not careful, a sad place where you'll have an awful time. The movie did not show how she knew where to advertise and start up because that would give women ideas *which is not a good thing*.
At least they are portraying the hooker as a human who everybody empathises with (but at the same feels very sorry for).
I can't wait to see how this ends.
*puts popcorn on microwave*
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At least we bring happiness fun & enjoyment in sex work
The worst job has to be traffic warden ruining everyone's day >:(
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Funny. . . re. public portrayal of prostitutes.
I haven't seen it.
Given a few years, we all turn into "secret dominatrix" firing up inside us?
When it's called for, that is, of course.
I'm turning into a "Man" after menopause is long gone! ;D
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The movie did not even show us how she knew where to advertise and start up not saying they have to even say the sites but at least if we was shown her friend telling her how to start up get a phone etc go online. But it skipped to her getting ready for a booking.
I recognised the hotel they filmed in based in w.a.t.f.o.r.d m.e.r.c.u.r.e. hotel.
I think her friend still does it on the side but did not want to say she still in the business.
I noticed that!!
Depressing, once again about survival sexworkers hating what they do. Of course it happens but like most of us, I wish we could have a drama about Indies doing it because they want to. But I guess that is not exciting enough for producers.
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Anyone know a production company ? We could do this ourselves since no one seems to want to out there, haha! Imagine they actually showed it from our sides of the story? I’d watch that and rewatch that.
I can’t bring myself to watch yet another ‘drama’ where they portray this time old profession as a ‘last resort’ ‘dirty’ ‘bottom of the barrel’ type thing. It’s infuriating and just sad tbh. >:( :(
To be honest I found Belle De Jour is the only one that does show someone enjoying it and portraying the slightly more glamourous side to it.
There’s a book called ‘Diary of a Manhattan Call Girl’ I keep meaning to get back to reading. But was hoping it came on audiobook.
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On a more serious note, I did see a newspaper article (or somewhere).
It was about more and more younger women,
coming out of "inadequate care system"
were "forced" to enter prostitution.
I doubt these women "care" about how others
would "perceive" them.
I wouldn't blame them. . .
It was some time ago.
If you go to the "Politics" section on this site, there's some thread on the "consultation".
It was a little too complicated for me to understand of it all, though.
As Admin explained, it went straight over my head. . . :-[
I agree with one of the replies.
It's something to do with the government trying to introduce new legistrations
or trying to provide more support. . . ? ???
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Regieeee, is the above meant to be in this thread? I can't see how it has anything to do with the discussion about a TV programme, so if you intended it to go elsewhere then please report the post and I'll shift it :).
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Thank you, Amy. :)
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At least we bring happiness fun & enjoyment in sex work
The worst job has to be traffic warden ruining everyone's day >:(
Think it's the safety aspect all the normals find so bad. Being naked alone with a strange man etc.. I'd rather escort than work In a care home or abbatoir anyway, the pay is a lot better and it's probably less grim full stop
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The fallen woman archetype is found in lots of dramas.
Sex 'against' women is always used as a plot device.
Men come of age and have status when they visit hookers in movies. For example game of thrones.
Women loose something and degrade themselves and portrayed as desperate.
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I'd like to see more sex positive movies.
My favourites are of course Secret diary of a call girl, She's gotta have it (series on netflix - not quite sex worker but a struggling artist who has a married sugar daddy and many lovers) and a handful of others.
It would help if they stopped portraying the JOB as bad.
But rather bad clients, bad situations and forced situations to raise awareness.
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I just read an article in a magazine where women are turned down for universal credit and turn to sex work as * last resort + *desperation *
Like it's the worst thing anyone could ever do to themselves .
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I just read an article in a magazine where women are turned down for universal credit and turn to sex work as * last resort + *desperation *
Like it's the worst thing anyone could ever do to themselves .
I hate to burst your bubble & inject some reality here but some on us (I'm assuming I'm not the only one) has had to do it as a "last resort" because of the humiliation of going down the "job centre" every fortnight. Being on a zero hour contract. With pay slips etc to be turned away & be told your "job search" isn't enough..or whatever hoops you have to jump through this time for £75 a week to feed & clothe your kids on & yourself...when the company you've worked for for years loses their contract & you have to train for free for hours with another company to keep your job & cut back blah blah.
We're all being shafted one way or another..
I much prefer Samantha Morton's character in Harlots...another equally upsetting drama about hookers.
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The truth is, if you're doing this under duress - because some psycho has threatened to kill your children if you don't give them £1000 in a week - then it probably is fucking awful.
Most women find sex with random strangers repugnant. Having to do so out of fear and desperation would only make it worse.
The programme wasn't about sex work. It was about vulnerable single mothers and predatory men.
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I agree I don’t think anyone actually wants to do sex work that much the benefits (money) outweigh the negatives for some people. I doubt many people with a good paying job and reasonable hours would chose to escort. I do it because I’d only be able to get a minimum or not very well paid job.
Not everyone is privileged enough to have a good job that pays well
I hate to burst your bubble & inject some reality here but some on us (I'm assuming I'm not the only one) has had to do it as a "last resort" because of the humiliation of going down the "job centre" every fortnight. Being on a zero hour contract. With pay slips etc to be turned away & be told your "job search" isn't enough..or whatever hoops you have to jump through this time for £75 a week to feed & clothe your kids on & yourself...when the company you've worked for for years loses their contract & you have to train for free for hours with another company to keep your job & cut back blah blah.
We're all being shafted one way or another..
I much prefer Samantha Morton's character in Harlots...another equally upsetting drama about hookers.
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I agree I don’t think anyone actually wants to do sex work that much the benefits (money) outweigh the negatives for some people. I doubt many people with a good paying job and reasonable hours would chose to escort. I do it because I’d only be able to get a minimum or not very well paid job.
Not everyone is privileged enough to have a good job that pays well
Yeah I'm the same, I'm extremely lucky in that I get an allowance and my car insurance paid for by my dad, he lives abroad and is well off but without that I would not be able to look after my kids without escorting benefits just arnt enough these days, couldn't live off food banks with fussy kids either, even now I'm struggling and hate asking family for help and would rather escort but not possible right now. It's a much preferable option to me than abbatoir or care home work. I actually used to enjoy a lot of bookings too yes you'd get the odd prick but not often if screen correctly. I hate it when we are told it's not a choice by rabid feminists, it really makes me mad other women want to take our choice away to do this if we need to.
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Yes not like those women would be paying our bills if we stopped doing it
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Ye sora not like those women would be paying our bills if we stopped doing it
Yeah, that question is repeatedly ignored when debating with rad fems. Mythical government support programmes are constantly talked about whilst ignoring the fact state support has been slaughtered and women are the worst effected especially single parents, wonder how many would agree with raising benefit payments massively, probably none the gigantic hypocrites!
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For me prostitution is one of those jobs that, if you are choosing it and have some control over your work its fine, but if you really don’t want to do it and have not much control over your work thenit can be one of the most horrible things in the world. Because that’s sex for you. Sex is great if you want it, or fine if you don’t mind having it. But it’s dehumanising and painful if you do it because you feel you can’t not or it’s somewhere on the spectrum of being against your will. There have been women I’ve met in this industry in the former category and women I’ve met, sadly, in the latter.
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For me prostitution is one of those jobs that, if you are choosing it and have some control over your work its fine, but if you really don’t want to do it and have not much control over your work thenit can be one of the most horrible things in the world. Because that’s sex for you. Sex is great if you want it, or fine if you don’t mind having it. But it’s dehumanising and painful if you do it because you feel you can’t not or it’s somewhere on the spectrum of being against your will. There have been women I’ve met in this industry in the former category and women I’ve met, sadly, in the latter.
So true and it’s brothels and agencies that are like this, it’s definitely better working for yourself and it shows a man is decent when he prefers Indy girls because of the no choice thing working for others and I have had a couple of guys tell me that this is precisely why they won’t go into brothels or call escort agencies.
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So true and it’s brothels and agencies that are like this, it’s definitely better working for yourself and it shows a man is decent when he prefers Indy girls because of the no choice thing working for others and I have had a couple of guys tell me that this is precisely why they won’t go into brothels or call escort agencies.
I definitely had my worst experiences at brothels. You don’t have an realistic ability to say to say no to anybody that comes in, that can be potentially traumatising.
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I definitely had my worst experiences at brothels. You don’t have an realistic ability to say to say no to anybody that comes in, that can be potentially traumatising.
Definitely, I once said no to a client and he was okay but I was in such a bad mood due to the last client being awful and I still had 6 hours of a 12 hour shift to go, and if I’m in a mood then I don’t give the best service that I can, anyway one of the girls stuck me in to the boss and I got pulled up, I made something up but what I really wanted to say to my boss was go fuck yourself but I ended up leaving not long after, working in brothels still effects me to this day, it’s like I need therapy just to get it out of my system.
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Definitely, I once said no to a client and he was okay but I was in such a bad mood due to the last client being awful and I still had 6 hours of a 12 hour shift to go, and if I’m in a mood then I don’t give the best service that I can, anyway one of the girls stuck me in to the boss and I got pulled up, I made something up but what I really wanted to say to my boss was go fuck yourself but I ended up leaving not long after, working in brothels still effects me to this day, it’s like I need therapy just to get it out of my system.
Yes, I worked in nice well ran brothels with decent enough owners but the fact just anyone can walk in and the prices tend to be a bit on the lower side (one near me does half an hour for 45 so the girl must get about 30 for a half hour booking! 90 an hour is the going rate at many too) you get more undesirable clients you would never see independent like poor English speakers or men with an entitled attitude, I found in brothels you get a higher percentage of clients that were rude and boundary pushing never satisfied etc etc than you do independently and you earn less money and often have to compete for work on shifts that have been over booked or have too many girls on leaving some with barely any work. It's a good option if you can't incall or make much out calling though. I used to work a place you would choose your own hours and days it was really good no long shifts if you didn't want it. If I ever parlour worked again I'd probably go there, they told me I was welcome back anytime so I'm glad it's an option.
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Yes, I worked in nice well ran brothels with decent enough owners but the fact just anyone can walk in and the prices tend to be a bit on the lower side (one near me does half an hour for 45 so the girl must get about 30 for a half hour booking! 90 an hour is the going rate at many too) you get more undesirable clients you would never see independent like poor English speakers or men with an entitled attitude, I found in brothels you get a higher percentage of clients that were rude and boundary pushing never satisfied etc etc than you do independently and you earn less money and often have to compete for work on shifts that have been over booked or have too many girls on leaving some with barely any work. It's a good option if you can't incall or make much out calling though. I used to work a place you would choose your own hours and days it was really good no long shifts if you didn't want it. If I ever parlour worked again I'd probably go there, they told me I was welcome back anytime so I'm glad it's an option.
Yeah parlours have their good points and if you get on with the girls then sometimes you can get a right laugh, it’s like saafe but all the girls are there in front of you!
I owe my experience in SW to parlours and I’m grateful for that, but as girls get more experience, and confidence in sleeping with strangers then Indy is the way to go, if you have a place to work from, this is the biggest issue I think.
I could go back to the parlour I worked in too except I don’t want too and they are in a different city to where I live.
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I agree I don’t think anyone actually wants to do sex work that much the benefits (money) outweigh the negatives for some people. I doubt many people with a good paying job and reasonable hours would chose to escort. I do it because I’d only be able to get a minimum or not very well paid job.
Not everyone is privileged enough to have a good job that pays well
Do you have anything stopping you from seeking a well paid job? Have you fully tried and committed to it?
I know a few sex workers who quit and become successful at something else. Took time and effort though.
I'd hate for anyone to only do this work long-term out of low self esteem..
I love sex work. Some of us are genuinely drawn to it.
Although I rarely do full service ! There's a lot of ways to make money as a sex worker without penetration and oral.
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I do want to get into different work but beauty therapy and care doesn’t pay much. I couldn’t do another job I don’t think and many don’t pay well.
;)Do you have anything stopping you from seeking a well paid job? Have you fully tried and committed to it?
I know a few sex workers who quit and become successful at something else. Took time and effort though.
I'd hate for anyone to only do this work long-term out of low self esteem..
I love sex work. Some of us are genuinely drawn to it.
Although I rarely do full service ! There's a lot of ways to make money as a sex worker without penetration and oral.
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The truth is, if you're doing this under duress - because some psycho has threatened to kill your children if you don't give them £1000 in a week - then it probably is fucking awful.
Most women find sex with random strangers repugnant. Having to do so out of fear and desperation would only make it worse.
The programme wasn't about sex work. It was about vulnerable single mothers and predatory men.
Exactly this. I caught another episode where a woman was going down the gym & her partner was controlling & abusive so she didn't go. It's a good series if you want to learn about the tactics of abusive men/people. Although the camera angles & jerky movements are very off-putting.
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Exactly this. I caught another episode where a woman was going down the gym & her partner was controlling & abusive so she didn't go. It's a good series if you want to learn about the tactics of abusive men/people. Although the camera angles & jerky movements are very off-putting.
After reading this thread, I downloaded "I am Nicola" by mistake.
I was hanging on, wondering when Sex work would come into the story :D
Thought Vicky Mcclure was great at always though.
Will definitely watch 'I am Kirsty' when I get a chance.