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General Category => Blather and Babble => Topic started by: SelenaLondon on 17 May 2015, 01:09:09 am
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Yet another documentary glamorizing 'high class' escorting I see.
Who will be watching :)
from the channel 4 site:
No-holds-barred documentary exploring the lives of high-class prostitutes Miss Emily B and Cookie Jane, who charge thousands of pounds for a night with clients who find them on the Adultwork app
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The fact that they are mentioning AW as an app only (not website too etc) makes me think it will have a "you can fuck whores at the click of a button! Technology and sex! The modern world! Hide your children!" angle in it somewhere.
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I think programmes like these are doing us and the industry more harm than any good. Although I did read the article yesterday and found it refreshing reading how their families stated that their professions did not change who they are as people and that they love them regardless.
But unfortunately we live in a society where it will only be giving those who want to criminalise us more ammunition to do so.
If girls actually considered the impact and considered the future repercussions on them just as much as us I doubt they would jump at participating in these programmes. Hope their taxes are up to date.
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I do worry about the girls appearing in these documentaries and if they have considered the long term repercussions, these programs do tend to get repeated for ever more now, and put onto you tube. So in 10 years time if you are in a "normal" job you run the risk of terrible problems when people find out.
Not to mention running the risk of the tax man, and the VAT man if you claim high earnings, and are not VAT registered.
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One good thing is that it will drive more traffic to AW... the site is nearly impossible to find unless someone tells you about it.
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Haha good point fab... just hope they aren't all timewasters!
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Are there any WG charging "thousands per night" on AW? Maybe Eros, but Adult wank? :D
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These girls are, I just looked at the profiles. But I can't imagine they're very busy at those rates... I may be wrong... :o
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I strongly believe these documentaries are promoting prostitution (which is not a good thing for us because that means more competition). I'm absolutely positively sure that any women in her own frame of mind watching how a couple of girls make "thousands a night" fucking a guy will be heading straight to the computer and making an adultwork profile right after viewing the documentary. No doubt about it.
oh how I hate these documentaries. >:(
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I'm not worried about that. I don't see myself as competing with girls at that rate because I'm lower down the food chain so to speak. I also think they probably get the porn star traffic.
Any girl joining AW at that rate is not competition to us and they will have a bit of a shock when they see it is not a 'glamorous life' as these two high class call girls call it.
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I strongly believe these documentaries are promoting prostitution (which is not a good thing for us because that means more competition). I'm absolutely positively sure that any women in her own frame of mind watching how a couple of girls make "thousands a night" fucking a guy will be heading straight to the computer and making an adultwork profile right after viewing the documentary. No doubt about it.
oh how I hate these documentaries. >:(
Give people a bit more credit than that? Getting into this is a lot more than making a decision as simple as that. I think after we enter this industry we forget why most people don't want to go into it. It's dangerous, a lot of people perceive it as demeaning and lessening their chances of getting into a relationship, potentially getting found out and risking their jobs, etc. A lot of people are aware of how much money they could make doing this, it's the risk that keeps them from doing it. And as Midsstudent said, competition isn't a worry.
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These girls are, I just looked at the profiles. But I can't imagine they're very busy at those rates... I may be wrong... :o
One of them isn't escorting, does only webcam. And the other works Mayfair, Bond Street, Oxford Street in Greater Manchester :o - according to the profile.
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I strongly believe these documentaries are promoting prostitution (which is not a good thing for us because that means more competition). I'm absolutely positively sure that any women in her own frame of mind watching how a couple of girls make "thousands a night" fucking a guy will be heading straight to the computer and making an adultwork profile right after viewing the documentary. No doubt about it.
oh how I hate these documentaries. >:(
I hate them because they are so far removed from the reality. They just add to the bad image.
They are not competition at all. Very few if any of the men I see would be interested in girls like that, even though I guess I shouldn't pre-judge the content.
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These girls are, I just looked at the profiles. But I can't imagine they're very busy at those rates... I may be wrong... :o
One of them isn't escorting, does only webcam. And the other works Mayfair, Bond Street, Oxford Street in Greater Manchester :o - according to the profile.
They both have recent escorting feedback...
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Can we lay off the personal remarks folks, please? Neither you nor I have any way of knowing that the people involved aren't members of this forum too, and should they want to join they'd be as welcome as anybody else. The above ('I hate them' - really?) isn't exactly pleasant to read, not helpful in the slightest and worrying about how a crap tv programme might mean you get a couple fewer bookings a week isn't just selfish, it's beyond tragic.
Stick to the bloody programme, please. Or just don't watch it, and then eventually we might have a bit less car crash tv bunging up the schedules.
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In my view, it's not about what a prostitute looks like particularly or how 'high class' she sells herself as being, it's more about the way they make the men feel. That keeps the men coming back long term x being accommodating, friendly, enjoying sex (or seeming to haha), loving if necessary, kind. That's what men want, in my humble view.
They both have recent escorting feedback...
(fixed quoting by losing it)
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Are there any WG charging "thousands per night" on AW? Maybe Eros, but Adult wank? :D
There are loads of ?2000 a night girls on AW :)
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Yeah I'll be watching! I am interested to see how 'high class' works from the girls who clearly believe their own marketing hype. ;D
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Just watched the trailer *yaaawwwnnnn*
I'm not sure how brazen, promo hungry, money mad, porn star types qualify as high class escorts but anyway....
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And one more time for the cheap seats - any more pointless, unpleasant posts which serve no purpose other than to make derogatory personal remarks about other women/sex workers and it's locked. I'll reopen it when the bloody thing's been on.
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The only thing that gets me is that some of my clients almost expect me to watch it or actually imply that I will be interested enough to watch and in all honesty girls, I won't. I'm expecting a few texts on Thursday informing me of it (from clients) as if I didn't know............
I can't say why exactly but I just don't have any interest - maybe because after hours when I'm chilling, the last thing I want to do is think about work!
Also, bear in mind that it's got to be sensationalist to have any interest so it's going to be pumped up to make the whole industry look like yet another Secret Diary fantasy world where hey, we all go flouncing into Harrods with thousands in notes!
But it's what the public want isn't it ? And I bet you for sure there'll be clients all over the UK watching too but as for me, no thanks!
Maybe it's funded or sponsored by adultwork as they certainly get their fare share of publicity, which must delight them!
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Waiting for my first client of the day, watching this morning on itv as usual and two escorts are on discussing adult work! It was the shock of Amanda Holden and Philip schofield that made me laugh, I forget how taboo the subject is because its just a normal part of my daily life! It's great that they're trying to break the stereotype though, how refreshing to see.
Definitely made my day! :D
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Ah yes it's bcos of that show on tonight. Pft (someone) will have had a few out calls to hotels in his time
(No names, even random pure speculation.)
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Ah yes it's bcos of that show on tonight. Pft (someone) will have had a few out calls to hotels in his time
Totally agree that (someone) won't be new to it!
The interview made me cringe to be honest. The two ladies were clearly drunk and /or high and were constantly talking over one another. It was just uncomfortable. Fair play to them for doing what they wish to do but in no way does this represent those of us, "normal" ladies out there who aren't charging ?500 an hour. Each to their own though I suppose.
I just want to say though, that doesn't mean I want to knock these ladies for having the balls to take their cause onto mainstream TV and unashamedly talk about what they consider to be ok for them. I don't agree with them (or the way they presented themselves) but to an extent. they have my respect.
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How do they manage to always find the girls who charge unrealistic prices when 95% of us charge the general ?100-?160
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Guess they seek them out as they're after sensation not the norm. I would love them to make a show where they see us living normal lives same as everyone else, cleaning the litter tray, Netflix days and food shopping. Rock n roll hookers!
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I'm actually planning on watching the show tonight. Curiosity got the better of me and I'm dying to see how far from reality it really is.
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How do they manage to always find the girls who charge unrealistic prices when 95% of us charge the general ?100-?160
I thought that, the blonde lass was on about charging ?5000 for an overnight :o
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Good advertising for adultwork!
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Good advertising for adultwork!
Yep. Shame the site's fucked at the mo! :FF
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9 minutes into this programme on 4 and I'm cringing already!!!
Think it's time for much of this -----> :FF :FF :FF
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9 minutes into this programme on 4 and I'm cringing already!!!
Think it's time for much of this -----> :FF :FF :FF
Me too!!!
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9 minutes into this programme on 4 and I'm cringing already!!!
Think it's time for much of this -----> :FF :FF :FF
Me too!!!
Co sign lol
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Did anyone else see the girl get handed cash that definitely was not ?500 lol maybe ?150?
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Did anyone else see the girl get handed cash that definitely was not ?500 lol maybe ?150?
Lol I thought it was just me who noticed. I really don't think they do get paid 500, I have a feeling this is just an advertisement of Adultwork or themselves....I bet that's why they even agreed to do the show.
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No, hadn't noticed it. I don't think they're "high class escorts", they are more expensive due to being porn stars. It's all very misleading. I just hope it doesn't lead to women starting out thinking its all fine and glamorous and wind up in a troubling situation with a dodgy client, as we all know how those predators like to prey on the newbies.
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I'm not going to judge these women.
But I will say that I was taken aback by the way AW is presented as this easy way to just book an escort and make a ton of money. There was some comment about it being safe in some way - something about the guys can't chop their heads off because they're verified? ???
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I'm not sure it's wise to be advertising that they work in the same flat either.
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Well if that's high class I'm certainly not high class at all ;D
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Well if that's high class I'm certainly not high class at all ;D
I second that! Sat watching this in my onesie ;D
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One thing I am curious about, did clients seriously agree to being filmed? Surely that would put a damper on the booking?
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I thought that... Imagine if some poor chaps wife has decided to tune in and recognises the back of her darling hubby's head. :-X
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Sorry, my mistake, just the one is a porn star lol xox
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I'm kind of liking the girls as you see more of them and less of the showmanship
My main concern is they're advertising who they are, the cash they keep in the flat, how the operate and the fact they're a brothel
I hope no bad comes to these girls because of any of that. In fact I hope it doesn't bring out the opportunists for any of us to have to contend with
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I'm kind of liking the girls as you see more of them and less of the showmanship
My main concern is they're advertising who they are, the cash they keep in the flat, how the operate and the fact they're a brothel
I hope no bad comes to these girls because of any of that. In fact I hope it doesn't bring out the opportunists for any of us to have to contend with
I second your concerns, it is worrying!
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The Horror channel has Nude Nuns With Big Guns at 22:50.
Again, it's exactly what you'd expect from the title, but it's almost certainly far more entertaining and realistic.
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How do you bank 5k a week, also?
And how come all their clients seem to be fit??? (from what they say)
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I don't understand why this programme was even made. What is the significance for this in the first place? ???
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There's gonna be a flood of noobs on AW over the next couple of weeks - both seekers and providers.
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There's gonna be a flood of noobs on AW over the next couple of weeks - both seekers and providers.
Yep, don't know if thats good or bad, both probably
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Oooooooo, I did like that apartment in canary warf though with the cool lighting, wouldn't mind a home like that! Lol
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I'm so old that I can remember back when the Internet was sort of a new thing. Well, not the Internet (which I think I first encountered in the mid-80's but didn't realise it) but the World Wide Web. Anyway, for a few years in the early-to-mid 90's, every January there would be a bunch of new posts on message boards from people WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND BASIC NETIQUETTE LIKE ALL CAPS and that sort of thing. It was because people were getting PC's for Christmas and logging on to AOL or whatever for the first time.
Maybe AW will experience something like that.
BRACE YOURSELVES GIRLS FOR ALL-CAPS EMAILS FROM IDIOTS!!! :D
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The influx of timewasters will be fun for those in big cities I'm sure.
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Trying to log in to AW to check my credits and the site isn't loading. That may just be AW acting up or it could be a deluge of people looking up their profiles.
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I can get on, but it's lagging.
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Oooooooo, I did like that apartment in canary warf though with the cool lighting, wouldn't mind a home like that! Lol
Me too! Wouldn't want it in my home but if I had a separate work flat would be great
Anyone else feel sorry for the chihuahuas?
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Can't log in either
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I just watched this show whilst in bed with a client! Oh the irony ;)
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Just caught up on the show and I actually enjoyed it!
The girls seem like a really nice fun twosome, I liked the way they did the show with the scrolling a of pages in the first few minutes I noticed a few names of girls I know!
It was very interesting to see how they do things!
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Found it very disappointing, firstly slagging off of WG's beneath you and taking the piss out of their substance abuse issues whilst they clearly had a few of their own, stumbling and slurring throughout the programme.
Flashing the cash was a big mistake too, they are leaving themselves open to be robbed, both of them working from the same apartment is also leavig them open to be raided as they are classed as a brothel, openly discussing setting up an agency which will class her as a pimp and living off immoral earnings, taking the piss out of clients loneliness, how pathetic they and clingy they are is definately not a very good marketing tool. If they have been declaring their earnings I hope it matches up to what they bragged about. Being blatant about an abortion really did not make wg's look like level headed women who are supposed to be on the contraceptives.
Kudos to those who look up to and aspire to be like these two but personally i hate being tarred with the same brush. :-\
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Ive found the show actually sad.
2 girls trying to live a glamorous life but I could clearly see they are not that glamorous at all.
Talking about pregnacy, showing off that cash without thinking about consequences of being robbed and having to justify the cash to the tax man, advertising the name of the agency cookie opened was also a wrong move, she admited being a pimp..
A sad show in my point of view.
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It seems like a really intense life the pair of them are living. They don't seem to have much outside of their work.
I agree with those that said it seemed quite sad, and a nieve innocences to the pair of them. They know so much but have shared so much information with the world on a tv program.
I really hope their books are in order
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Clicked onto the channel 4 website to watch... First thing I see is one of the girl's legs... clad in-
Ann Summers Stockings. High Class? ::)
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They drink a lot of alcohol, Felt sad for both of them.
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I don't think we should be bitchy about the way they dress or look. I think it's fair to discuss the implications of going on telly, and I think it's fair to talk about the way the show presented them, etc. But we just sound bitchy and catty when we pick at the way they dress or conduct themselves.
Remember that to most civilians, we are indistinguishable from these ladies.
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I wasn't being bitchy, but if you are going to remove yourself from the 'norm' and call yourself 'High Class' then how do you expect to be seen as different from the rest if you are dressing the same way and doing the same job? I wont go as far to say 'acting' the same way, as the two girls were VERY insulting towards streetworkers, is that what makes someone high class? Putting yourself above others?
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I think they were just trying in the wrong way to show being a prostitute doesn't equal substance misuse and degradation.
They failed of course but I don't think it was coming from such a bad place, they're just naive
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Trying to remain objective, perhaps the issue was mostly C4's titling the programme with the use of the phrase "high class". To me (and I appreciate it's incredibly subjective) a 'high class' escort would be beautiful, toned, a non-smoker, eat well and generally look after herself, have good skin, drink very little alcohol, no drugs, and any cosmetic surgery/procedures would be so subtle and well done as to be barely noticeable. I don't think just having a flat near Bond Street tube is enough to qualify.
I also worried like others that it gave the impression that large amounts of money could be easily made. It was more interesting when they spoke to their families if anything, but overall I just didn't feel it was very reflective of many escorts' lives. And I hope they don't regret making it.
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I watched a snippet but not enough to make a proper judgement but initial thoughts are actually pity for the individuals involved as I wonder what they actually thought they were participating in as now .............. not only have they completely exposed themselves to the tax man {so I do hope they declare all they earn or portray to earn as they've foolishly flashed so much cash it gives the impression they are earning 3k a day, which ......... if they are not then they've foolishly dug themselves a big hole!!!! ) and secondly the law as two girls, as we know, constitutes a brothel.
You wonder if it's all been edited too and how much ? Also was drugs mentioned ? Were they under the influence ? All very sad really in my opinion.
It's just as I predicted, sensationalist tv and in all honesty, I can't see the nicer (normal) clients actually believing any of the nonsense portrayed.............. .
I say nice/normal clients although what constitutes nice and normal!
I do confess that I will watch at some point on catch up as I can then form a proper opinion !
I do wonder though what the girls thought they were getting into? Did they agree purely for exposure and if so, how did they think they'd be portrayed?
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I just don't think there is a any such things as a 'High Class Hooker' anyway; it might be a useful phrase as a marketing tool but whatever actual measure you come up with in order to orientate it will be deeply subjective. You could say its an escort who charges ?300+ an hour, but as the 'documentary' seemed to show some of those who do may be living chaotic/ alcohol fuelled life styles which dilute and problematise the 'mythology' of the High class Hooker. You could say its a someone who had a middle class upbringing & went to private school, but even though your socio-cultural/socio-economic background is a pretty good indicator of 'where you'll end up' it is not a signed, sealed guarantee of life long economic and social stability. Particularly seeing as prostitution is the same as any other self-employment, it can be quite unstable, unpredictable work, totally dependent on bodily labour & unless you've been canny with your money it won't have mattered how much you charged per hour, if you become ill or can't work for any reason.
You could say its looking a certain way, being 'conventionally' attractive, but I've noticed more so in recent years in this industry especially, this is more linked to a very artificial cosmetic form of attractiveness (like Emily B) that was popularised by pornography/glamour industry that people probably don't associate with 'class' anyway. Or being a healthy, well maintained, ascetic, well spoken, affable gym bunny but I've met women like this who worked in quite low cost massage parlours.
Class as an idea is a nonsense anyway, because its the erroneous notion that there is something essential about a group of people that makes them better or worse than another group of people, based of the criteria of the fashion of the day. It used to be aristocrats. Now its billionaire business people. Prostitutes have almost always, by the very nature of society's attitude to the practice, been considered fairly low down the pecking order, no matter how you swing it. Even the millionaire courtesans of previous centuries were consider social outcasts who were only 'high class' for prostitutes.
It is precisely because of the endemic injustice in the way in which society has often treated those who work in this industry on the basis of 'social hierarchy' & concepts of 'acceptable femininity' that I feel deeply uncomfortable about taking any aspects of whorearchy seriously (outside perhaps a useful marketing tool).
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I don't understand why this programme was even made. What is the significance for this in the first place? ???
Someone thought they could sell enough advertising slots for it to at least cover the cost of commissioning it.
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I don't understand why this programme was even made. What is the significance for this in the first place? ???
Someone thought they could sell enough advertising slots for it to at least cover the cost of commissioning it.
Because following someone with a camera (aka: reality show) in his/her "daily life" costs nothing to the producers (you just need to hire a couple of camera people to chase celebrity hungry chicks/lads doing their thing) so the financial reward is very high. Putting together a more traiditonal TV programe involves hiring a studio, lighting technicians, presenter, dancers, sound engineers, lots of cameras, editors, staff etc etc.... and costs much more money so the financial reward is not so great.
And them... sex sells :-)
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I've always wondered if I was a high class escort would I be guaranteed high class cock? :P What does high class cock taste like I wonder. I don't fit into high class so will just have to carry on fucking low class cock.
The programmes I've seen like this all portray how wonderful all of it is and all boast of their 'thousands of pounds a day' earnings so they're happy to let the world know. If I had the nerve, I'd do this for TV, have the cameras there when I get a knob on the phone and let them see my frustrations rather than like on this programme where a TW was asking her lots of questions and what she gets off on and she told him, played right into his hands, unless in real life she would've got rid of him. If I had a booking with an arsehole, I'd tell them or if he turned up with a smelly arse, I'd tell them all of it and I'd give a true estimate of my earnings, which they'd be surprised about. But I'm guessing ones like that wouldn't want the whole country knowing what they do.
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I just don't think there is a any such things as a 'High Class Hooker' anyway; it might be a useful phrase as a marketing tool but whatever actual measure you come up with in order to orientate it will be deeply subjective. You could say its an escort who charges ?300+ an hour, but as the 'documentary' seemed to show some of those who do may be living chaotic/ alcohol fuelled life styles which dilute and problematise the 'mythology' of the High class Hooker. You could say its a someone who had a middle class upbringing & went to private school, but even though your socio-cultural/socio-economic background is a pretty good indicator of 'where you'll end up' it is not a signed, sealed guarantee of life long economic and social stability. Particularly seeing as prostitution is the same as any other self-employment, it can be quite unstable, unpredictable work, totally dependent on bodily labour & unless you've been canny with your money it won't have mattered how much you charged per hour, if you become ill or can't work for any reason.
You could say its looking a certain way, being 'conventionally' attractive, but I've noticed more so in recent years in this industry especially, this is more linked to a very artificial cosmetic form of attractiveness (like Emily B) that was popularised by pornography/glamour industry that people probably don't associate with 'class' anyway. Or being a healthy, well maintained, ascetic, well spoken, affable gym bunny but I've met women like this who worked in quite low cost massage parlours.
Class as an idea is a nonsense anyway, because its the erroneous notion that there is something essential about a group of people that makes them better or worse than another group of people, based of the criteria of the fashion of the day. It used to be aristocrats. Now its billionaire business people. Prostitutes have almost always, by the very nature of society's attitude to the practice, been considered fairly low down the pecking order, no matter how you swing it. Even the millionaire courtesans of previous centuries were consider social outcasts who were only 'high class' for prostitutes.
It is precisely because of the endemic injustice in the way in which society has often treated those who work in this industry on the basis of 'social hierarchy' & concepts of 'acceptable femininity' that I feel deeply uncomfortable about taking any aspects of whorearchy seriously (outside perhaps a useful marketing tool).
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I don't buy the idea that men pay more for educated, middle class women. I am well educated but the men I see don't listen to what I am saying or even look in my eyes. Whatever 'class' the man is, I believe that all they want is someone who will listen to their boredom without giving an opinion, have the type of body/boobs they prefer and is a passive receptacle for their sperm. No real need for them to pay ?300 at all
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I don't buy the idea that men pay more for educated, middle class women. I am well educated but the men I see don't listen to what I am saying or even look in my eyes. Whatever 'class' the man is, I believe that all they want is someone who will listen to their boredom without giving an opinion, have the type of body/boobs they prefer and is a passive receptacle for their sperm. No real need for them to pay ?300 at all
No, I don't 'buy it' either but nor do I agree that men want a braindead, passive receptacle because if they did, they wouldn't book me. Maybe people like that do book well-educated middle class women, but in that case I'm glad I grew up on a council estate and left school at sixteen because I'm clearly getting a much better deal punter-wise :D.
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I just don't think there is a any such things as a 'High Class Hooker' anyway; it might be a useful phrase as a marketing tool but whatever actual measure you come up with in order to orientate it will be deeply subjective. You could say its an escort who charges ?300+ an hour, but as the 'documentary' seemed to show some of those who do may be living chaotic/ alcohol fuelled life styles which dilute and problematise the 'mythology' of the High class Hooker. You could say its a someone who had a middle class upbringing & went to private school, but even though your socio-cultural/socio-economic background is a pretty good indicator of 'where you'll end up' it is not a signed, sealed guarantee of life long economic and social stability. Particularly seeing as prostitution is the same as any other self-employment, it can be quite unstable, unpredictable work, totally dependent on bodily labour & unless you've been canny with your money it won't have mattered how much you charged per hour, if you become ill or can't work for any reason.
You could say its looking a certain way, being 'conventionally' attractive, but I've noticed more so in recent years in this industry especially, this is more linked to a very artificial cosmetic form of attractiveness (like Emily B) that was popularised by pornography/glamour industry that people probably don't associate with 'class' anyway. Or being a healthy, well maintained, ascetic, well spoken, affable gym bunny but I've met women like this who worked in quite low cost massage parlours.
Class as an idea is a nonsense anyway, because its the erroneous notion that there is something essential about a group of people that makes them better or worse than another group of people, based of the criteria of the fashion of the day. It used to be aristocrats. Now its billionaire business people. Prostitutes have almost always, by the very nature of society's attitude to the practice, been considered fairly low down the pecking order, no matter how you swing it. Even the millionaire courtesans of previous centuries were consider social outcasts who were only 'high class' for prostitutes.
It is precisely because of the endemic injustice in the way in which society has often treated those who work in this industry on the basis of 'social hierarchy' & concepts of 'acceptable femininity' that I feel deeply uncomfortable about taking any aspects of whorearchy seriously (outside perhaps a useful marketing tool).
Agree with you completely
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I don't buy the idea that men pay more for educated, middle class women. I am well educated but the men I see don't listen to what I am saying or even look in my eyes. Whatever 'class' the man is, I believe that all they want is someone who will listen to their boredom without giving an opinion, have the type of body/boobs they prefer and is a passive receptacle for their sperm. No real need for them to pay ?300 at all
No, I don't 'buy it' either but nor do I agree that men want a braindead, passive receptacle because if they did, they wouldn't book me. Maybe people like that do book well-educated middle class women, but in that case I'm glad I grew up on a council estate and left school at sixteen because I'm clearly getting a much better deal punter-wise :D.
Am I missing something, where does it say men want middle class in hslbristols post?
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Here:
You could say its a someone who had a middle class upbringing & went to private school
I haven't read it all to be fair, so that's my guess. My brain leaves the party as soon it realises scrolling will be needed.
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I don't think we should be bitchy about the way they dress or look. I think it's fair to discuss the implications of going on telly, and I think it's fair to talk about the way the show presented them, etc. But we just sound bitchy and catty when we pick at the way they dress or conduct themselves.
Remember that to most civilians, we are indistinguishable from these ladies.
Totally agree I watched the program and actually I feel sad that they have been exploited to go on television and tell their business to the world leaving them at risk from robbery and crazy stalkers who might be watching and the taxman and the police ....hopefully they get out of what they are doing and this gives them an oppurtunity to maybe get some other career because they cant be happy drinking and shagging basically 24/7.,.......x
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Oh I DO think SOME men will pay more for what they perceive to be "high class". And they're probably the same men who thnk that ?60 ladies are "low class". Lots of
men people equate higher perceived value as being "higher quality" - it's how the same pair of leggings can sell for ?5 in one shop and ?25 in another. And if the higher priced ladies weren't getting any work at top dollar prices, then their rates would come down. If they can earn those prices, why should they lower them?
I got the feeling when watching the prog that this wasn't pitched to the ladies as "this will be a doc about high class escorts", I think it was probably pitched as "escorts going about their daily business and a look into why they became escorts" etc. The only "high class" thing I saw was them drinking champagne, but even little old ME has done that during a booking and when camming (not often, mind!) and I'm about as far removed from "high class" as you can get.
Sensationalist crap that of course we're all going to watch and criticise because it's about OUR industry. Still, good advertising for AW.
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Sensationalist crap that of course we're all going to watch and criticise because it's about OUR industry. Still, good advertising for AW.
Er, we're not 'all' going to watch it. I'd rather stick wasps up my arse.
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Sensationalist crap that of course we're all going to watch and criticise because it's about OUR industry. Still, good advertising for AW.
Er, we're not 'all' going to watch it. I'd rather stick wasps up my arse.
Kinky. ;D
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Having in the past worked in agencies charging 120 and hour to AW and High class angencies CHARGING THE 350-500 I can honestly say that the only difference is the clients the ones who pay more are often better looking and just classier as for the girls I saw better looking girls at the cheaper ones to be very honest but men think if they pay more they are getting better some men wouldnt want to pay less as they think they are getting someone cheap just my opinion x
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Some men wouldn't want to pay more as they think they are getting someone self-absorbed. ::) It might make men feel better about paying women to have sex with them if there's a shiny "elite" label on their website. That doesn't make it real. Like almost everything in this industry, it's all an illusion. I think when it comes to women advertising themselves this way, we should give them more credit and assume that they are just as aware as we are that it's all made up crap in a bid to get more money for less hours. We are one and the same. Is it silly to assign the "class" label to all this? Absolutely, but if it works it works and I have nothing against them. I couldn't label myself that way as I'd be too scared that the harsh reality of my impoverished background would seep out from behind the wallpaper. ;D But all power to those that do!
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I disagree that men don't pay for girls that can hold a conversation and actually have a brain. Be this your typical education or self taught. Otherwise English speaking wouldn't be such a strong requirement. Additionally I've had clients outright tell me that they return not only for the sex, but because of the intelligent conversation and common interests.
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I don't buy the idea that men pay more for educated, middle class women. I am well educated but the men I see don't listen to what I am saying or even look in my eyes. Whatever 'class' the man is, I believe that all they want is someone who will listen to their boredom without giving an opinion, have the type of body/boobs they prefer and is a passive receptacle for their sperm. No real need for them to pay ?300 at all
No, I don't 'buy it' either but nor do I agree that men want a braindead, passive receptacle because if they did, they wouldn't book me. Maybe people like that do book well-educated middle class women, but in that case I'm glad I grew up on a council estate and left school at sixteen because I'm clearly getting a much better deal punter-wise :D.
Am I missing something, where does it say men want middle class in hslbristols post?
Exactly, it doesn't. I was arguing that people find differing means arbitrating on 'class' that are effectively erroneous in reality and that making categorise people in order to justify snobbery and social ostracism. From a sex work basis in can see the benefit of using it as a marketing jargon but it's when it gets taken seriously, especially by those outside the industry, is deeply problematic.
Yes Amy, I do have problems with trying to be pithy and succinct, but I'm working on it...
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So I'm guessing I'm the only one who liked the girls :)
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I disagree that men don't pay for girls that can hold a conversation and actually have a brain. Be this your typical education or self taught. Otherwise English speaking wouldn't be such a strong requirement. Additionally I've had clients outright tell me that they return not only for the sex, but because of the intelligent conversation and common interests.
I thought it was my blowjob skills and sunny disposition :-\
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So I'm guessing I'm the only one who liked the girls :)
I didn't dislike them. I blanched at first when they made comments about 'cheap druggie hookers' or words to that effect, but as the program progressed it becomes obvious that Emily in particular was very 'off the cuff' and impulsive and seemed to have the tendency to 'speak without thinking'. And editors would make sure that the more controversial aspects of their life/behaviour were kept in, and probably cut out reans of their everyday banalities.
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So I'm guessing I'm the only one who liked the girls :)
I didn't dislike them. I blanched at first when they made comments about 'cheap druggie hookers' or words to that effect, but as the program progressed it becomes obvious that Emily in particular was very 'off the cuff' and impulsive and seemed to have the tendency to 'speak without thinking'. And editors would make sure that the more controversial aspects of their life/behaviour were kept in, and probably cut out reans of their everyday banalities.
Very good point. I must say I agreed with alot the black haired one said and found her quite funny.
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So I'm guessing I'm the only one who liked the girls :)
No you're not! I did too, I thought they were bubbly and came across down to earth.
We're in the minority LOL
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I disagree that men don't pay for girls that can hold a conversation and actually have a brain. Be this your typical education or self taught. Otherwise English speaking wouldn't be such a strong requirement. Additionally I've had clients outright tell me that they return not only for the sex, but because of the intelligent conversation and common interests.
I thought it was my blowjob skills and sunny disposition :-\
I'm sure your sunny disposition wouldn't be nearly as attractive if it was blank ;)
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So I'm guessing I'm the only one who liked the girls :)
I kind of liked them too, except the moments when they were high/drunk, rolling in money on the floor and bad mouthing other SW. I thought their relationship was kind of adorable, also they were down to earth and funny sometimes. I just absolutely don't see what is "high class" about them, but hey, everyone's choosing their marketing strategy. They seemed like nice, bit crazy girls, I hope they won't get any trouble from showing all flat, money and stuff like that.
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I've had clients go to the 500 pound agency escort. Many of these girls are your tipical 21 year old skinny model type Eastern Europeans who have difficulty communicating in English. But they have expensive proffesional glamour super airbrushed shots and wear Jimmy Choos. I don't remember them telling me about the "intelligent conversation part"...(Ouch).
My definition of a high class hooker: Any woman who charges more than 500 per hour, manages to get away with it and remains in business.
(This applies to WAG's, sugar babies, kept mistresses, many of the Belgravia wives that shop daily at Harrods etc...).
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I disagree that men don't pay for girls that can hold a conversation and actually have a brain. Be this your typical education or self taught. Otherwise English speaking wouldn't be such a strong requirement. Additionally I've had clients outright tell me that they return not only for the sex, but because of the intelligent conversation and common interests.
Of course they will, and you'll find this commonplace because those are the punters you're marketing to. I could say that lots of punters like short Northern gobshites with big tits just because all the punters I see do, but that doesn't mean there aren't as many or more punters who like tall flat-chested Lithuanians - the ones that do just aren't ever likely to book me :).
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I am definately not expensive, I am an old fat ginger prossie who seems to predominantly attract businessmen with their range rovers and posh cars, I wonder if i should put my rates up?
My ol mum used to say you can not buy class you are born with it.
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I felt very sad for both of the girls, it was not what I expected to see when the words 'High Class' were mentioned, have a few friends that really are on that level and they are the most discreet of all..
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I disagree that men don't pay for girls that can hold a conversation and actually have a brain. Be this your typical education or self taught. Otherwise English speaking wouldn't be such a strong requirement. Additionally I've had clients outright tell me that they return not only for the sex, but because of the intelligent conversation and common interests.
Of course they will, and you'll find this commonplace because those are the punters you're marketing to. I could say that lots of punters like short Northern gobshites with big tits just because all the punters I see do, but that doesn't mean there aren't as many or more punters who like tall flat-chested Lithuanians - the ones that do just aren't ever likely to book me :).
I absolutely don't doubt that. Was just pointing out that 'some' clients do pay for a level of conversation too... obviously they wouldn't pay if there wasn't sex too though ;D
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I disagree that men don't pay for girls that can hold a conversation and actually have a brain. Be this your typical education or self taught. Otherwise English speaking wouldn't be such a strong requirement. Additionally I've had clients outright tell me that they return not only for the sex, but because of the intelligent conversation and common interests.
Of course they will, and you'll find this commonplace because those are the punters you're marketing to. I could say that lots of punters like short Northern gobshites with big tits just because all the punters I see do, but that doesn't mean there aren't as many or more punters who like tall flat-chested Lithuanians - the ones that do just aren't ever likely to book me :).
I absolutely don't doubt that. Was just pointing out that 'some' clients do pay for a level of conversation too... obviously they wouldn't pay if there wasn't sex too though ;D
Any woman who takes the time to read the newspapers, watch the news or read a book and takes the time to not only watch soaps but various other programmes can engage her clients in many different topics. My conversations can range from music to animals to politics. Just never talk about anything that you have no clue about, then you will end up looking like a numpty.
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I watched half of this then fell asleep !
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Maybe it's just me but I would expect 'high class escorts' to have their own professional website, I mean if the majority of us who don't charge ridiculous amounts have one, then it is just something I would automatically expect someone charging 500ph to have.
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I thought the friendship between the two women was beautiful. How lucky they were to share a flat and have each other to talk to and for support.
Honestly if I could charge those rates I would so good on them both!
It's inspired me to get fit, lose a stone, tone up and get some new pictures and reinvent my persona and go out and get that money!!I'm giving it six weeks :P
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I thought the friendship between the two women was beautiful. How lucky they were to share a flat and have each other to talk to and for support.
Honestly if I could charge those rates I would so good on them both!
It's inspired me to get fit, lose a stone, tone up and get some new pictures and reinvent my persona and go out and get that money!!I'm giving it six weeks :P
I know, I'm totally jealous of their friendship
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I felt very sad for both of the girls, it was not what I expected to see when the words 'High Class' were mentioned, have a few friends that really are on that level and they are the most discreet of all..
What would you say makes your friends high class/on that level?
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Any woman who takes the time to read the newspapers, watch the news or read a book and takes the time to not only watch soaps but various other programmes can engage her clients in many different topics. My conversations can range from music to animals to politics. Just never talk about anything that you have no clue about, then you will end up looking like a numpty.
I concur. That's why my earlier post said I didn't just mean 'typically' educated ;D
Most of what I know is self taught. I'm actually classed as a 'mature student'.
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I felt very sad for both of the girls, it was not what I expected to see when the words 'High Class' were mentioned, have a few friends that really are on that level and they are the most discreet of all..
And your friends are on this level because ?!
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Because they charge very high fess, I presume. There isn't really anything else that differentiates prossie from prossie in this context, and I'd be amazed if the people referred to were any more 'discreet' than the vast majority of people posting here :).
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Because they charge very high fess, I presume. There isn't really anything else that differentiates prossie from prossie in this context, and I'd be amazed if the people referred to were any more 'discreet' than the vast majority of people posting here :).
;)
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Well, it's not much to say "more discreet than being on telly."
I think the "high class" thing comes down to marketing. It probably won't come off very well if you are actually rough as shingles, but I don't think it takes much more than chutzpa and a bit of imagination to market yourself that way and carry it off.
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Saw it last night before a deeply disturbing
Scandinavian warrior movie.
WTF are these pepes on? :o
I enjoyed it a lot and found it very entertaining
and accurate. Good on Cookie and Emily.
And their 'ho' humour tickled me. ;D
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Right jelly of their working relationship lol, split rent, banter, butt ass naked without care and even helping hand during bookings.
I liked it. The programme had it's flaws but what do you ever expect from these shows. They want to add shock factor it's like 30% real life 70% shock factor. It was interesting to see how higher charging girls impliment things, I think the main difference was just networking outside of escorting & proffesional photos ontop of a great location. You could tell blondie was pretty business savy.
If your in the industry already you know egsactly how hard they had to work in reality to build up their name what with advertising and fingers in different pies & also the bookings don't just *badabing* *Badagbing* *badabing* like it made out lol. So although you see a glimpse of that, newbies wouldn't catch on at all and they'd be wide eyed at the money lol.
Checked out the site. They're charging ?800 now. Black haired girl is webcam only on adultowrk but advertising escort services on that agency. Well hey, kudos if it works for them, i'd be too scared to try charging even ?250 let alone ?500-?800. I think we all looked at that like..... I could do that haha, don't lie, you looked up accomodation in Mayfair :P but taken with a pinch of salt unlike the poor unwitting newbies.
Can you imagine a show about us average charging girls...... Oh hey channel 4.... so this is where I do my adverts. And this is where I watch TV while waiting for the phone to ring and these are my taxes and this is what I spend my money on > *points to some random crap from etsy XD* < honestly whole reason I went into this job because I wanted to buy cool shit.
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I'm sorry I just got to see an ad for the show but I missed the documentary as I was busy.
My Question: Did these women worked together?
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they did yea, so could mess them over going public like that
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they did yea, so could mess them over going public like that
Call me thick, but why would 2 high class escorts leading a very sucessful business "out" themselves like that?
Disadvantages:
1) Once they leave escorting and reinvent themselves it's going to be very difficult to leave your past life as everybody will know them as "that high price hooker who was on telly".
2) Landlords, neighbours, family, hotels staff, HM revenue etc... Will NOW know what they are up to. Congratulations.
3) Police know these women are working in duo and they don't like it when people flaunt how they break the law on TV -it makes them (police) look stupid-. Vice will take a note after seeing the program.
4) As someone said here discretion is upmost important in this business. No client is going to visit a chick who was on a prossie reality show as they fear they will be next on the show or she will have cameras in her room. My point is: This reality show thingy ultimately is not good for business.
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Again, maybe I'm just being thick. And I'm not judging them in a bad way, they looked like quite intelligent, business savvy ladies to me. I'm sure they weighed the pros and the cons before doing this, but I'm just trying to figure out the "pros".
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Sorry if someone has mentioned this already but I would never announce anywhere how much I earn! Fair enough if they're declaring every penny, I won't even have a reward card for sainsburys as I heard the tax man can monitor your spending, also I doubt I'd be left with many clients if I outed myself on tv x
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Sorry if someone has mentioned this already but I would never announce anywhere how much I earn! Fair enough if they're declaring every penny, I won't even have a reward card for sainsburys as I heard the tax man can monitor your spending, also I doubt I'd be left with many clients if I outed myself on tv x
Agreed. That is the most foolish part of this on their behalf. Everything else, fine probably not many repercussions, but it's playing with fire stating their earnings. Whether you pay tax or not, everyone tries to work things in their favour (basic human nature which probably partly explains the harshness of hmrc) I don't know if they're just that naive or they don't care
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I can find this documentary somewhere online???
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google High Class Call Girls Documentary on Channel 4 and you can watch it :)
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Sorry if someone has mentioned this already but I would never announce anywhere how much I earn! Fair enough if they're declaring every penny, I won't even have a reward card for sainsburys as I heard the tax man can monitor your spending, also I doubt I'd be left with many clients if I outed myself on tv x
Agreed. That is the most foolish part of this on their behalf. Everything else, fine probably not many repercussions, but it's playing with fire stating their earnings. Whether you pay tax or not, everyone tries to work things in their favour (basic human nature which probably partly explains the harshness of hmrc) I don't know if they're just that naive or they don't care
I do pay my fair share but still wouldn't announce it on TV, hmrc can be bastards if they wanna be and these girls are in danger of putting themselves under their microscope. X
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I remember years ago while living in the US an article came out in a very popular magazine under the title:" Jessy jane (just made the name up): the escort that charges one thousand dollars per hour!". It was a 2 page story with beautiful and fun photos of this very upscaled escort etc... 3 months later Jessy Jane was arrested and her
pimp agency owner sent to jail for a year. The whole investigation started because of THAT article. The police then made sure that their arrest was properly covered in the media in order to set an example.
I know this is the UK, not the US, but me thinks flaunting certain "stuff" is just not the best idea because you might be used as an example...
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I know this is the UK, not the US, but me thinks flaunting certain "stuff" is just not the best idea because you might be used as an example...
It's not that long ago that the girl in London got a ?120,000 tax bill plus tens of thousands costs and a jail sentence. They raided her home as well and found a huge amount of cash.
Keep a low profile. Flashing the cash in front of TV cameras and boasting is not the way to do that.
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I can find this documentary somewhere online???
You can watch it on the app, "All 4 ,used to be called 4oD".
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Can you imagine a show about us average charging girls...... Oh hey channel 4.... so this is where I do my adverts. And this is where I watch TV while waiting for the phone to ring and these are my taxes and this is what I spend my money on > *points to some random crap from etsy XD* < honestly whole reason I went into this job because I wanted to buy cool shit.
This is literally my life.
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Ask any of the girls who appeared in programmes like this in the past what good it did them? Yes, you have your 10minutes of fame etc but what good is this going to do their parents? Those in their villages who did not know will now know, can you imagine the dad down at the pub and some guy comes up to him and says "so how much does your daughter charge, nice cracking minge on her". If they are not already social pariahs they will become to an extent now.
The reason why you find it is predominantly fame hungry women who go on these programmes is because the sensible ones know better. Can you imagine what their landlords will think or any future landlords? After the way they portrayed themselves etc do you honestly think any half decent man would want to take a someone with such issues on?
And then the legal problems they might face in the upcoming months especially with their escort agency now which she tried to brand as a casting agency. The reason why this was one of the most secretive professions is not just down to morality it is down to the mystique and secrecy it provided.
I remember growing up as a child and we would drive past a house with a red light on the porch and my mom would whisper to my dad or seeing women on street corners and my friends would go "oh she is prostitute" and I would be all "oooooh really!".
Yes it might bring a lot more visitors to the site or clients but it also brings a lot more problems for girls trying to fly under the radar. You can sit there and idolise them or think "awww aren't they lovely" etc but at the end of the day it would take a snap of a finger for one of them to turn against the other for whatever silly reason and we all know how easy it happens in this industry.
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Can you imagine a show about us average charging girls...... Oh hey channel 4.... so this is where I do my adverts. And this is where I watch TV while waiting for the phone to ring and these are my taxes and this is what I spend my money on > *points to some random crap from etsy XD* < honestly whole reason I went into this job because I wanted to buy cool shit.
This is literally my life.
Change TV to video games and this is indeed pretty spot on, lol.
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This thread is bare hilar! ;D
But, pleased to report that I have already had 2 punters who said it was down to "that documentary"! One of which hadn't seen a hooker for ten years and was inspired to get back into it. The other figured it was a more efficient version of dating sites without the hassle!
Keep 'em coming!
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what exactly makes them high class ::)
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what exactly makes them high class ::)
They fuck men they don't fancy in 5* hotels and not travel lodge x
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I remember years ago while living in the US an article came out in a very popular magazine under the title:" Jessy jane (just made the name up): the escort that charges one thousand dollars per hour!". It was a 2 page story with beautiful and fun photos of this very upscaled escort etc... 3 months later Jessy Jane was arrested and her pimp agency owner sent to jail for a year. The whole investigation started because of THAT article. The police then made sure that their arrest was properly covered in the media in order to set an example.
I know this is the UK, not the US, but me thinks flaunting certain "stuff" is just not the best idea because you might be used as an example...
I don't think a show like this affects just them, it brings attention to the industry and examples could be made out of a lot of people.
Like that guy on benefits street showing he's a dealer, everything there on the table and his identity completely exposed, even down to his exact address
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I found it very interesting. I watched it with my partner and we concluded that I'm not 'high class' as defined by channel 4 despite my level of education and home ownership!
I share all the concerns expressed here by others about the negative effects of the publicity, tax issues etc but they certainly seem to have a lot of fun and we shouldn't slate them for their appearance or lifestyle choices.
I think the programme shows how most people see or want to see escorting when in reality, yes here I am in my pj's, watching 'this morning' and working out how much gardening I can do before my 2pm!
There have been far more positive and beneficial documentaries but it was entertaining xxx
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I remember years ago while living in the US an article came out in a very popular magazine under the title:" Jessy jane (just made the name up): the escort that charges one thousand dollars per hour!". It was a 2 page story with beautiful and fun photos of this very upscaled escort etc... 3 months later Jessy Jane was arrested and her pimp agency owner sent to jail for a year. The whole investigation started because of THAT article. The police then made sure that their arrest was properly covered in the media in order to set an example.
I know this is the UK, not the US, but me thinks flaunting certain "stuff" is just not the best idea because you might be used as an example...
I don't think a show like this affects just them, it brings attention to the industry and examples could be made out of a lot of people.
Like that guy on benefits street showing he's a dealer, everything there on the table and his identity completely exposed, even down to his exact address
Some people don't think about their actions before the outcome
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It's on again now!
Channel '+1' :)
These girls do make me laugh! ;D
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Got a message on AW today asking me if I wanted to feature in a BBC documentary ???
kindly blocked :-*
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Do they not get bored of making these documentaries. They do SO MANY.
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I haven't watched it yet... So can't say for sure, but it just seems they show the glam side of things.. I used to watch secret diary and life is nothing like that. I make ok money, but not as much as these thing portray.
I do wish someone would make a realistic documentary, hours of hanging around in pjs watching netflix hahaha
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Do they not get bored of making these documentaries. They do SO MANY.
They get paid for it, that's why.
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I remember a similar documentary around 8 years ago, it showed the lives of 5 different ladies working in different environments, there was only one that had her identity hidden, it was very good and a particular lady was worried about her boyfriend finding out and she has always showed her face in pictures online!
A few of them are still working today :)
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I remember a similar documentary around 8 years ago, it showed the lives of 5 different ladies working in different environments, there was only one that had her identity hidden, it was very good and a particular lady was worried about her boyfriend finding out and she has always showed her face in pictures online!
A few of them are still working today :)
Hiya,
Do you remember what it was called? May be able to still get it on utube x
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No but think it was channel 4 though, been trying to find it again but not managed to...it was also around the time when the secret diary of a call girl was broadcast..