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General Category => Blather and Babble => Topic started by: SuperCheese on 13 November 2017, 08:19:19 pm
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As well as a lot of the other ridiculous time wasting, I often get asked for bareback. It's not something I offer, but is it actually offered by many escorts? ??? ???
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Some obviously must do it as they advertise it and its been known some escorts have BB there regular clients but how many i would not know.
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Ah, I don't think I've seen it advertised! But all of this pestering and saying they'd pay extra is making me wonder.
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I am sure you know but AW has a search facility and men can find hundreds of sps offering bb, not counting those who don't advertise it but do it.
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same as justine I see quite a lot of it advertised on AW - well maybe not a lot but definitely a significant amount & get a lot of requests from guys who "only want BB with those who don't advertise it" who have a fair amount of feedback (not saying that they definitely accepted the bb request just that some escorts do offer it for extra but don't advertise it). Also escort of the day on AW is usually offering bb too
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I didn't realise how you could search like that, 37 girls in Wales alone. No wonder I get pestered for it!
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Yes they do like at RBs on adultwork as well you get loads of guys asking for bareback asking for only girls who don't advertise BB. Because some girls might offer it under the table some guys will ask , I always block them and if they try in a booking they get thrown out .
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Like any other legal service, some people offer unprotected sex of varying kinds and others don't but the weird demonisation of people offering unprotected penetration as opposed to unprotected oral means that it's more likely to be done on the sly and not advertised. I would guess this is why punters sometimes think it's worth asking because it's something that they might have been offered before without it being public knowledge.
Since this demonisation is such that it's unlikely anybody here would post to say they offer unprotected vaginal/anal sex there isn't really any way anybody can answer the question - what other people do is their business, and I would instead be concentrating on ways to reduce the annoying enquiries that are actually affecting me :).
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I wouldn't demonise someone for offering bb, I was just curious, as it's something that I get asked for a lot. It doesn't seem to matter if I state 100 times I don't do it, I still get asked. To be honest, I wouldn't block a client who has unprotected sex with another wg either, but he would still be wrapping it up.
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They actually made it illegal in Germany (with the new laws) and any sex worker advertising BB in Germany can get arrested now. :o
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They actually made it illegal in Germany (with the new laws) and any sex worker advertising BB in Germany can get arrested now. :o
Yes, because telling adults what sort of sex they're allowed to have always works, even if there was any way of enforcing the law ::).
So now anybody who does offer outlawed services will feel less able to be honest with healthcare providers in the event that they're concerned about symptoms, not to mention the black market that will inevitably spring up and be impossible to monitor. Don't forget that the exact same two people could meet in a supermarket or at a bus stop and have the exact same unprotected sex with each other entirely within the law as long as no money changes hands (because obviously a virus or bacteria knows the difference and will only infect those paying/being paid).
If the above post is accurate and punters are not facing legal action for soliciting unprotected sex too (so all it's all the dirty prossie's fault) then it's even more of a sorry mess than I thought it was. But none of that has anything to do with the OPs question. Everybody gets asked occasionally, even me, but if it's a frequent thing than it might be worth havjng a rethink of your ad wording to make sure it's clear but not OTT :).
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Since this demonisation is such that it's unlikely anybody here would post to say they offer unprotected vaginal/anal sex there isn't really any way anybody can answer the question - what other people do is their business, and I would instead be concentrating on ways to reduce the annoying enquiries that are actually affecting me :).
This OT's question does pop up from time to time. As for "on the sly", meaning "informally", not advertised as such - I'm pretty sure there are other variants, too. I agree that the term, demonisation is probably very accurate, used by escorts against other escorts. People do as they please with their body, be it a whole-male fist fisting or otherwise. I doubt this industry is as regulated as people would have liked. It's not. I don't know enough about this new German legislation. Maybe, there are unwanted abortions amongst vulnerable service providers, increased infection rate/ concern for incurable STIs, protecting vulnerable women, who knows? I also agree that I have not seen a single post by escorts, who would do it only with their longstanding regulars whom she "gets on" with to keep these regulars. I wouldn't particularly call it this is "on the sly". She is probably forced into it over time covertly as she's afraid of losing the incomes if she wouldn't consent.
I have very few regs - thankfully, they don't ask any risky stuff, if he did, it would have really signalled the end. But I have had quite a few repeat men, who expected it at some point, or even a year later, and moved on, rejected. There are condom rippers. I had one with one of the long-term regs whom I was itching to get rid of. ::)
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This OT's question does pop up from time to time. As for "on the sly", meaning "informally", not advertised as such - I'm pretty sure there are other variants, too. I agree that the term, demonisation is probably very accurate, used by escorts against other escorts. People do as they please with their body, be it a whole-male fist fisting or otherwise. I doubt this industry is as regulated as people would have liked. It's not. I don't know enough about this new German legislation. Maybe, there are unwanted abortions amongst vulnerable service providers, increased infection rate/ concern for incurable STIs, protecting vulnerable women, who knows? I also agree that I have not seen a single post by escorts, who would do it only with their longstanding regulars whom she "gets on" with to keep these regulars. I wouldn't particularly call it this is "on the sly". She is probably forced into it over time covertly as she's afraid of losing the incomes if she wouldn't consent.
I have very few regs - thankfully, they don't ask any risky stuff, if he did, it would have really signalled the end. But I have had quite a few repeat men, who expected it at some point, or even a year later, and moved on, rejected. There are condom rippers. I had one with one of the long-term regs whom I was itching to get rid of. ::)
I don't think that anybody who values their autonomy and privacy wants this industry regulated at all in the sense of imposing laws and restrictions that treat sex workers differently to other workers, which is why sex worker groups, academics who have done proper research among sex workers and the support organisations who actually listen to us support decriminalisation and not legalisation (which comes with state interference as with the German laws, although that's nothing to do with this thread).
Unwanted pregnancy, STIs and all the other difficult circumstances mentioned are not exclusive to sex work, and unless you're going to outlaw unprotected sex between everybody just in case, they're not going to go away. Making something illegal doesn't deter people who are already criminals so will make no difference to anybody who is already being exploited or forced into providing services they don't want to - it'll just make them harder to find and help.
As for independents who do bareback occasionally and/or with trusted regulars, what the post above basically says is that because these women are doing something you would never do, they are unable to make decisions for themselves so they must be 'forced'? Seriously?
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I actually think there's an interesting discussion to be had about BB, but it usually descends into pearl-clutching hysteria. I, personally, do feel OWO is less risky in terms of the overall transmission of STIs because it's less likely to involve syphilis, HIV, or genital herpes and warts.
My main issue with escorts who routinely offer BB is that even if they go for a full STI screen every week, they're still more likely to catch something and thus pass it on.
And re. clients, bug chasers are certainly a worry. Plus them not going for screening.
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I have known some girls who never advertised it but did offer it to certain regulars.
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I have known some girls who never advertised it but did offer it to certain regulars.
And I have many clients who tell me the same, which is why I assume everyone has unprotected sex and I just get on with my sex work regardless AND enjoy it.
I do fantasise about BB sex; it gets me off in bookings ;D
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I actually think there's an interesting discussion to be had about BB, but it usually descends into pearl-clutching hysteria. I, personally, do feel OWO is less risky in terms of the overall transmission of STIs because it's less likely to involve syphilis, HIV, or genital herpes and warts.
My main issue with escorts who routinely offer BB is that even if they go for a full STI screen every week, they're still more likely to catch something and thus pass it on.
And re. clients, bug chasers are certainly a worry. Plus them not going for screening.
In all fairness consenting adults are entitled to do what they like. But this is my issue too. You are shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted and even a daily STI screen would not stop you catching something that using protection might have avoided. It's also useless to a certain degree due to the amount of STI's that take weeks / months to show up. If you are fortunate to have a negative test you may not be so lucky next time.
I personally would never offer it for these reasons but if girls want to, and guys are happy to do it, that's their risk to take.
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I don't think that anybody who values their autonomy and privacy wants this industry regulated at all in the sense of imposing laws and restrictions that treat sex workers differently to other workers, which is why sex worker groups, academics who have done proper research among sex workers and the support organisations who actually listen to us support decriminalisation and not legalisation (which comes with state interference as with the German laws, although that's nothing to do with this thread).
Unwanted pregnancy, STIs and all the other difficult circumstances mentioned are not exclusive to sex work, and unless you're going to outlaw unprotected sex between everybody just in case, they're not going to go away. Making something illegal doesn't deter people who are already criminals so will make no difference to anybody who is already being exploited or forced into providing services they don't want to - it'll just make them harder to find and help.
As for independents who do bareback occasionally and/or with trusted regulars, what the post above basically says is that because these women are doing something you would never do, they are unable to make decisions for themselves so they must be 'forced'? Seriously?
I don't phrase things very well, I'm badly dyslexic. I never said things "should" be better regulated as such. That's not the thread is about. I don't know enough about German laws but I was just discussing the possible background as to how the new legislation came about, someone else might come in and could add more accurate info. Amy, everyone's situation is quite different. I would not go into my personal reasons why I would prefer to avoid unsafe sex, but given my longstanding "experience" in this industry, it does not take a rocket science to know some other women might consent to unsafe practice for personal reasons, debts to clear, bills to pay, small children to feed, or other desperate reasons. When regulars wanting certain service or move on, I guess some consent to the services, given the pressure. Maybe, or quite likely, I didn't phrase it well, but when someone says, women "offer it on the sly", it sounds as if someone is happy to do it for extra cash, given the opportunity, but it may be far more complicated than that. These women may not want to do it, but losing regular incomes may mean their small children starving, problem keeping the roof over their family etc. That sort of thing.
I'm sure some escorts do it without being forced but it doesn't surprise me if there are other situations, yes, really, I don't mean to offend, though. :)
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I don't think that anybody who values their autonomy and privacy wants this industry regulated at all in the sense of imposing laws and restrictions that treat sex workers differently to other workers, which is why sex worker groups, academics who have done proper research among sex workers and the support organisations who actually listen to us support decriminalisation and not legalisation (which comes with state interference as with the German laws, although that's nothing to do with this thread).
Unwanted pregnancy, STIs and all the other difficult circumstances mentioned are not exclusive to sex work, and unless you're going to outlaw unprotected sex between everybody just in case, they're not going to go away. Making something illegal doesn't deter people who are already criminals so will make no difference to anybody who is already being exploited or forced into providing services they don't want to - it'll just make them harder to find and help.
As for independents who do bareback occasionally and/or with trusted regulars, what the post above basically says is that because these women are doing something you would never do, they are unable to make decisions for themselves so they must be 'forced'? Seriously?
Along with Germany, New Zealand also has barebaking made illegal, and health workers do visit independents and brothels. In the Netherlands removing a condom during sex without explicit consent turns it into rape. I don't think this is a bad thing, or something we should frown on. Many countries have or are bring in laws against people knowingly sleeping with others when they have an STD (the UK is one of them, assault and GBH are usually what they fall under for SWs and civvies alike).
Maybe it's working predominately with bdsm clients, but affirmative consent is a massive thing on both sides. Not to say some don't try and push it, but they get a short sharp jab from my self defence training.
When it comes down to it, bareback is much higher risk that oral without a condom. I'm a scientist by day and have worked in STD research. The papers back this up (even more surprising oral HPV actually decreases the fatality of nose and throat cancers). In the same breath, HIV transfer is much lower than most people realise (individuals can conceive with someone who is HIV positive without contracting it, surprising but true). The biggest risk is with chlamydia and gonorrhea (higher transmission rates).
I don't judge anyone who does bareback, the girls in my area I know who do, I know why they do: money. They can get an extra twenty quid dropping the condom. None of them do it because they really want to, but they have bills to pay. I get that, I got into escorting to pay off debts. And man did I get some insane offers to do bareback (10K for a weekend), but I weighed it up against the risks. I'll chance someone having G or C or herpes for oral, facials I'm always certain to close my eyes and clean up asap (orbital herpes can cause blindness).
Is there a price that would make me run the risk? Not what 99.99999999% of clients are offering. But several mill and maybe I'll take a roll of that dice (paid in advance obviously).
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Along with Germany, New Zealand also has barebaking made illegal, and health workers do visit independents and brothels. In the Netherlands removing a condom during sex without explicit consent turns it into rape. I don't think this is a bad thing, or something we should frown on. Many countries have or are bring in laws against people knowingly sleeping with others when they have an STD (the UK is one of them, assault and GBH are usually what they fall under for SWs and civvies alike).
Maybe it's working predominately with bdsm clients, but affirmative consent is a massive thing on both sides. Not to say some don't try and push it, but they get a short sharp jab from my self defence training.
When it comes down to it, bareback is much higher risk that oral without a condom. I'm a scientist by day and have worked in STD research. The papers back this up (even more surprising oral HPV actually decreases the fatality of nose and throat cancers). In the same breath, HIV transfer is much lower than most people realise (individuals can conceive with someone who is HIV positive without contracting it, surprising but true). The biggest risk is with chlamydia and gonorrhea (higher transmission rates).
Yes, there isn't anything in this paragraph I didn't already know and I don't think I said anywhere that I thought OWO and unprotected penetration carried the same level of risk. What I was trying to say (and obviously not very effectively) was that whilst everybody can and likely already does think unprotected sex is something they wish people wouldn't do, there's a hell of a leap between that and the state telling them they can't, especially when it's restricted to particular groups of people in particular situations and not others.
I agree that people engaging in unprotected sex results in STIs being passed on, but the chances of them being passed on to people who only offer covered services is tiny. I don't offer OWO or RO, but if I did then I can't complain if I do catch something when I could easily have taken precautions to prevent it and I didn't. Nor can I blame either the punter who gave me it or the person who gave it to him, because as an adult my health is my responsibility and nobody elses - likewise if I want to smoke, drink alcohol or ride a motorcycle, all of which I can legally do and which could potentially harm others.
Making people aware of their health and potential threats to it as well as providing accessible protection so that they're in a position to decide for themselves what level of risk they're prepared to take would be my choice and I think the fact that both of these things are fairly readily available here is a big part of the reason that relatively few people here offer unprotected penetration.
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Doing bareback is playing with fire but it is a choice at the end of the day it is not something i would ever want to do and most ladies look down on it and judge others for offering it to punters openly or on the sly but i say this in the best possible nicest way without trying to cause anyone offence but OWO and CIM is still risky to catch infections and many have caught infections and spread them from doing those services so my question is is it a little hypocritical after all you can catch many of the infections from oral without and doing bareback.
I remember 1 woman i knew of few years back she used to offer OWO CIM snowballing etc and she found out 1 sex worker she knew of had done bareback with a regular she was going around calling her a dirty skank filthy diseased whore who everyone should know not to book plus saying it is women like her that make it risky for us to catch things...well i thought she went too far trying to ruin her rep when she offered services that can easily invite STDs and she caught 1 herself several months after because of her services she offers it is just a little double standards with all her ranting and trying to ruin another sex workers living.
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No. I don't offer it or list as offering it but I do it with one guy I've known for many years who has become a friend and far more than just 'a punter' and he never does it with anyone else. We both trust each other implicitly. I wouldn't do it with anyone else.
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I used to have "sex is protected only" blah blah blah, but I deleted it, as it seems to attract more chancers, thinking, "she should be clean, then". I would be curious, though. It seems loads of discussion on the new German laws, one quick google showed.
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I used to have "sex is protected only" blah blah blah, but I deleted it, as it seems to attract more chancers, thinking, "she should be clean, then". I would be curious, though. It seems loads of discussion on the new German laws, one quick google showed.
What they're making illegal is the advertising of BB services and not the actual act of having sex without a condom (for this last thing they would need to put a policeman in a bedroom everytime two people have sex). Of course everyone in their private life i free to do whatever they wish, but you cannot advertise it (at least in Germany as per the new laws). I don't think trying to curb disease is such an "outrageous" measure (?).
I do have a problem though with other parts of this new german laws towards sex workers, but that's a whole other thread.
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I disagree with the law, as it it presented anyway. What's the point in shoving sexual services 'under the table'? It just makes it harder for escorts who offer it get help and forces them to be dishonest to health services.
To stay on the original topic, I suppose I can see the attraction. It does feel quite naughty and risky to have bb with a complete stranger. I guess what makes it dangerous, also makes it 'exciting'.
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I disagree with the law, as it it presented anyway. What's the point in shoving sexual services 'under the table'? It just makes it harder for escorts who offer it get help and forces them to be dishonest to health services.
I highly doubt a girl telling her GP in Germany she offers BB will get arrested, but like you say: "She is likely to lie for fear of". On the other hand I know many sex workers here in the UK who won't tell their gum clinic they have BB services for fear of being sermoned by the nurses.
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To stay on the original topic, I suppose I can see the attraction. It does feel quite naughty and risky to have bb with a complete stranger. I guess what makes it dangerous, also makes it 'exciting'.
Super cheese cake, nobody likes to use condoms, they are expensive, uncomfortable and take a lot of pleasure from the sex act (specially for guys). Like an ex once told me: " using condoms for sex is like eating a pizza with the box".
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I understand the importance of wrapping it up, but the best way to tackle judgement is trying to put yourself in someone else's position. It's better for people to feel that they can be open, as STI checks are paramount.
By the way, it's not cheese cake, it's from the Cheestring advert.
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What they're making illegal is the advertising of BB services and not the actual act of having sex without a condom (for this last thing they would need to put a policeman in a bedroom everytime two people have sex). Of course everyone in their private life i free to do whatever they wish, but you cannot advertise it (at least in Germany as per the new laws). I don't think trying to curb disease is such an "outrageous" measure (?).
I do have a problem though with other parts of this new german laws towards sex workers, but that's a whole other thread.
Thank you, Ana. One thing I know that they have the state-run brothels punters visit from all over the world, so the reality there is not exactly the same here by the look of it. I have seen a post by someone commented on "German bareback whore House". I was a little too tired to look. Not particularly interested, either.
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Hi, new here, so I hope its ok to put in my 2 cents. I offer BB to a few of my regulars that I know well and get along with great. It is not something I'd ever advertise though, but to each their own.
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Hey Vicki, welcome to the forum! Do you regs get tested regularly? My main worries about offering BB are STIs and pregnancy.
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I have been offered quite a bit extra to bb but always refuse.
Yes it feels better and yes I would enjoy it but I wouldnt enjoy the worry for the next few weeks waiting to go to the clinic and waiting for the results.
I have a couple of regulars who have asked and have been tempted to say yes thinking it's just 1 or 2 but you just dont know if you are there only regular and that the day before they wasnt with another girl having bb sex.
But yes I understand the question being asked by yourself to yourself. Love the feeling of a guy blowing his load inside me.
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Hey Vicki, welcome to the forum! Do you regs get tested regularly? My main worries about offering BB are STIs and pregnancy.
It's always a good idea not to rely on condoms for contraception: it's worrying enough if they split without having to go and get a morning-after pill, too.
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Hi, new here, so I hope its ok to put in my 2 cents. I offer BB to a few of my regulars that I know well and get along with great. It is not something I'd ever advertise though, but to each their own.
Thanks for being honest some probably would not admit to it. Curious question if you caught something would you assume it is them that gave you it and reavulate not offering it or if you got pregnant by one of them how would you handle that do you think?
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Hey Vicki, welcome to the forum! Do you regs get tested regularly? My main worries about offering BB are STIs and pregnancy.
I only do this with 3 of them. No they aren't tested regularly, but I am and they are married and only see me. Yes I know that could be a lie and it is a risk, but it is my risk to take and I'm comfortable with it. To each their own, no judgement. As far as pregnancy, I'm pretty religious about taking the pill and have not had any issues.
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Thanks for being honest some probably would not admit to it. Curious question if you caught something would you assume it is them that gave you it and reavulate not offering it or if you got pregnant by one of them how would you handle that do you think?
If I got an STI I would demand they get tested and if they refused I'd assume it was them that gave it to me yes. It is hard to say if that would change how I feel or make me reevaluate things, guess I'd have to be in that situation to know for sure, so I hope I never find out.
As far as pregnancy, I am extremely confident that won't happen, but if it did I'm fairly certain I would keep it.
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If I got an STI I would demand they get tested and if they refused I'd assume it was them that gave it to me yes. It is hard to say if that would change how I feel or make me reevaluate things, guess I'd have to be in that situation to know for sure, so I hope I never find out.
As far as pregnancy, I am extremely confident that won't happen, but if it did I'm fairly certain I would keep it.
Yes i supppose you do not always know until it happens well hopefully wont should i say.
Another question if you do not mind me asking do all 3 of the regulars know you do it with the 3 of them or is it just not spoken about?
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I feel very sorry for the punters wives that are barebacking. Poor women. To know that someone you love and trust would sleep with an escort would be hard enough let alone without using a condom and putting you at risk so much.
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I feel very sorry for the punters wives that are barebacking. Poor women. To know that someone you love and trust would sleep with an escort would be hard enough let alone without using a condom and putting you at risk so much.
It is very scary but the husbands take a risk wether it is BB sex or OWO RO etc it is all a risk for there partners but some men do not care the risks get them off and men can be very selfish at times.
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I feel very sorry for the punters wives that are barebacking. Poor women. To know that someone you love and trust would sleep with an escort would be hard enough let alone without using a condom and putting you at risk so much.
Couldn't agree more. Sti's can take weeks to show on a test and we can pick them up even using condoms. Ive had crabs and oral and anal gonorrhea loads of times even though I use condoms with all my clients.
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Couldn't agree more. Sti's can take weeks to show on a test and we can pick them up even using condoms. Ive had crabs and oral and anal gonorrhea loads of times even though I use condoms with all my clients.
When you say you use condoms with all clients but you still caught all the StI do you mean you use condoms for oral but still caught stuff?
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I feel very sorry for the punters wives that are barebacking. Poor women. To know that someone you love and trust would sleep with an escort would be hard enough let alone without using a condom and putting you at risk so much.
Lets be realistic, the amount of guys who will have unprotected sex with a random at the Xmas party is far higher than the amount who will charge him for sex and insist on a condom.
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Having a suppressed immune system means my Mary is very temperamental. Thrush and BV are the bains of my life so even in loving relationships I won't do BB.
Getting into this line of work has really opened my eyes to how easily things can be passed on and since I'm already ill, I couldn't ever bring myself to risk my health more for no matter how much money.
Luckily HIV is now very manageable but for someone with existing health problems like myself, I'd be extremely poorly and the risk isn't worth it for no amount of money
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When you say you use condoms with all clients but you still caught all the StI do you mean you use condoms for oral but still caught stuff?
The oral gonerrah was caught by doing owo and the anal caught by the guy touching his penis then my anus (I no longer let them do that)
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The oral gonerrah was caught by doing owo and the anal caught by the guy touching his penis then my anus (I no longer let them do that)
You know what can also be scary they touch you down below a lot and touch or wank there penis so hands fingers going backwards and forwards wonder how risky for things this can be.
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You know what can also be scary they touch you down below a lot and touch or wank there penis so hands fingers going backwards and forwards wonder how risky for things this can be.
Then they get upset when you tell them no like a chastised puppy.
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Then they get upset when you tell them no like a chastised puppy.
Yes this is the problem if you mention hygiene safety reasons etc they get funny and sometimes there cock goes down. :FF :FF
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You know what can also be scary they touch you down below a lot and touch or wank there penis so hands fingers going backwards and forwards wonder how risky for things this can be.
I use hand gel between touching me and touching him, or clean hand / dirty hand.
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I use hand gel between touching me and touching him, or clean hand / dirty hand.
I know but this could be multiple times with the hanwash with some of these customers i tried that a few times and literally watching i needed to do mine and his hands probably about 10 times each in an appointment if being extra safe.
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I have a real phobia of catching stis so I always have antibacterial hand gel on each side of the bed so I can quickly use it when need be.
I also caught an sti while in a long term apparently monogamous relationship (not fun having the doc tell you your partner cheated on you) so I get a bit angry when I see married men asking for BB obviously not knowing my sti status and not knowing how many other people I offer it to as it doesn't allow their wives to look after their sexual health and get checked. As for just regulars who only see one escort - they also tell their wives they only see them...so I wouldn't necessarily trust that.
Genuinely no judgement, you're an adult who is more than capable of making your own decisions and it has nothing to do with me and the choices I make, but idk just make sure it's worth the risk you're taking...
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I have a real phobia of catching stis so I always have antibacterial hand gel on each side of the bed so I can quickly use it when need be.
I also caught an sti while in a long term apparently monogamous relationship (not fun having the doc tell you your partner cheated on you) so I get a bit angry when I see married men asking for BB obviously not knowing my sti status and not knowing how many other people I offer it to as it doesn't allow their wives to look after their sexual health and get checked. As for just regulars who only see one escort - they also tell their wives they only see them...so I wouldn't necessarily trust that.
Genuinely no judgement, you're an adult who is more than capable of making your own decisions and it has nothing to do with me and the choices I make, but idk just make sure it's worth the risk you're taking...
It is true of someone that can do BB with a sex worker while married they will do it with other sex workers if they got the chance plus anyone else and the wife is in the dark.
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Incredible though it may seem and as VC has pointed out already, prossies are not the only people who have sex, and I also doubt they're the easiest group of people with whom to get unprotected sex :).
Either way any fault lies squarely with the partnered up person and even then that's assuming that their relationship still includes sex; there are many different reasons why some don't and it isn't always as cut and dried as somebody going off the boil for whatever reason.
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I completely agree with that amy, wasn't trying to imply otherwise - although I'm not the best at wording things properly, I only mentioned why it hits a personal spot to me to see clients asking for it. Same as the job in general - it's not our job to keep clients faithful or responsible. I just hope they are keeping to their word and I'm aware that it's not easy being open about it on a forum like this where it's judged and frowned upon so kudos for speaking up about it. And ignore worrywort me if I'm sounding judgemental I don't mean to
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I don't offer BB but have told clients not to rub their cocks against my pussy because I worry what are they going to do next if they are doing that quick enough.
I've caught sti from a long term relationship where trust broke down quick sadly as he was clearly taking risks with another or maybe more .
One guy called up when i first started working had said he was ok clean and had a certificate lol I just laughed him off the phone .
I didn't know you could get a certificate for a clean penis !!!!
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I don't offer BB but have told clients not to rub their cocks against my pussy because I worry what are they going to do next if they are doing that quick enough.
I've caught sti from a long term relationship where trust broke down quick sadly as he was clearly taking risks with another or maybe more .
One guy called up when i first started working had said he was ok clean and had a certificate lol I just laughed him off the phone .
I didn't know you could get a certificate for a clean penis !!!!
I would be very surprised if he had a certificate probably wanted you to agree to do it then turn up saying shit i forgot it but i promise you i am clean i can send you it after.
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I would be very surprised if he had a certificate probably wanted you to agree to do it then turn up saying shit i forgot it but i promise you i am clean i can send you it after.
I have had clients that turn up asking for Bareback showing month old text messages after agreeing a booking and even had guys ask during a booking! I have thrown them out. Whether it be upon arrival or during a booking if they have paid me already they do not get their money back and they should teach it as a lesson! It's rude, disgusting, and somewhat insulting and unhealthy! Whenever this happens. I am not polite about it whatsoever. They are told and given a talking to that I think they are a bastard. It also wastes my time and ruins the chance of someone nice and respectful of having the appointment. Hence why they get no money back. You never know who they are telling they are clean that they are 'only doing it with them' and who is sleeping with who. The only guarantee we have are condoms. So they should be used for everything. Down to the fact that since so many offer it and so many have unprotected sex not only with escorts but in there personal lives also, that condoms are the only guarantee with have and way of preserving our health.
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It's always a good idea not to rely on condoms for contraception: it's worrying enough if they split without having to go and get a morning-after pill, too.
I just don't seem to get on with progesterone only contraception. I can't take the combined pill anymore, as I'm at a higher risk of clots and strokes. :'(
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I don't offer BB but have told clients not to rub their cocks against my pussy because I worry what are they going to do next if they are doing that quick enough.
I've caught sti from a long term relationship where trust broke down quick sadly as he was clearly taking risks with another or maybe more .
One guy called up when i first started working had said he was ok clean and had a certificate lol I just laughed him off the phone .
I didn't know you could get a certificate for a clean penis !!!!
A friend of mine runs an unrelated group, where men offer their sperm, but I just thought I'd mention that most GUM clinics won't offer 'certificates'. The most you typically get is a text, or a phone call if it's bad news.
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I just don't seem to get on with progesterone only contraception. I can't take the combined pill anymore, as I'm at a higher risk of clots and strokes. :'(
I ♥ my IUD.
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If I had a choice would go bareback but only with a partner. Miss the feel of it all.
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A friend of mine runs an unrelated group, where men offer their sperm, but I just thought I'd mention that most GUM clinics won't offer 'certificates'. The most you typically get is a text, or a phone call if it's bad news.
Some of them will. My old clinic in Brighton used to ask if you needed one. I believe all of the private clinics will give a proper printed "certificate" (it's just a print out of your results saying which tests were performed and the result of each.) It's quite common in the adult film industry that every performer brings a certificate dated within the last month.
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I ♥ my IUD.
I was considering one, but the idea of it tearing out scares the life out of me. There's also the implant, but I wouldn't mind another child within 3 years.
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I was considering one, but the idea of it tearing out scares the life out of me. There's also the implant, but I wouldn't mind another child within 3 years.
I've been told taking them out is easy - definitely easier than getting the fucker in, I hope!
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I've been told taking them out is easy - definitely easier than getting the fucker in, I hope!
You've got me worrying about getting it in now :o :D
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I've been told taking them out is easy - definitely easier than getting the fucker in, I hope!
Coming out is no worse than removing a tampon :)
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I got asked yesterday by a guy if I offer "full service", I have this in my adverts "HR & FS available" so yes I said, he then said no BB. Since when is "full service" meaning BB ??? Think he was confused...
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I have never done or offered BB - but I have got pregnant from sex work (when using condoms properly and without splits or breakage). I can only encourage others to use another contraception method in addition to condoms if they are having a lot of penetrative sex.
It is not quite the same but I have had requests from 2 clients to meet me after I had BB sex with my BF (no chance because I don't have a BF or civy partner) - they were quite happy to wear condoms. Is this a thing??
I can't believe that this is safe even with condoms used by the client - especially if RO is involved (one specifically asked for this)
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I have never done or offered BB - but I have got pregnant from sex work (when using condoms properly and without splits or breakage). I can only encourage others to use another contraception method in addition to condoms if they are having a lot of penetrative sex.
It is not quite the same but I have had requests from 2 clients to meet me after I had BB sex with my BF (no chance because I don't have a BF or civy partner) - they were quite happy to wear condoms. Is this a thing??
I can't believe that this is safe even with condoms used by the client - especially if RO is involved (one specifically asked for this)
Since I have quit escorting and started webcamming fulltime I get so many guys ask if I have been cummed in. Where I'm pregnant it's obvious I could possibly have a partner (which I do) As I have a partner and since I've quit working And am hoping to go into labour soon I have been going for it and so many guys will pay a lot of Money for custom videos of a creampied pussy and to watch you play and tell them how you have been cum inside. I never spoke about this sort of thing before not even for fantasy online so didn't know how many guys actually fantasise about it until I realised that guys will spend loads to just talk about it! I have offered bookings with my partner before and done creampie clean ups but guys actually say to me on cam how they would want to
Put there bare penis inside me after my partner has had a go? And this is why I will never understand or ever try to understand men's logic again lol. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with offering unprotected sex to clients at all and the risk is super high but the amount guys pay just to talk and fantasise about it?!?! Shows how many must actually be curious about it! With guys spending this much with taboo chats it could actually be a way for me to never work again lol
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It's a fetish, folks. And not even a particularly obscure one :)
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It's a fetish, folks. And not even a particularly obscure one :)
I didn't realise how much so Amy! Mr enb seems to get turned on by it too lol
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At risk of going off topic, there is a connection with my recent venture into selling used undies and tights (for which I can assure you there is good demand). One buyer did request "post-coital soiling". I did not fulfill his request (no partner) although I did have the strange thought of applying clients cum from a condom but I could not bring myself to deal with the eurgh factor of spreading cold cum in the gusset of some tights or indeed the moral question of supplying fake goods. My worn undies are sold as described - I don't want problems with trading standards!!
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At risk of going off topic, there is a connection with my recent venture into selling used undies and tights (for which I can assure you there is good demand). One buyer did request "post-coital soiling". I did not fulfill his request (no partner) although I did have the strange thought of applying clients cum from a condom but I could not bring myself to deal with the eurgh factor of spreading cold cum in the gusset of some tights or indeed the moral question of supplying fake goods. My worn undies are sold as described - I don't want problems with trading standards!!
Again apologies firchoing off topic but can you make good money from used clothes knickers and tights?
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I only started selling used stuff 2 weeks ago on AW - but I have had 4 sales amounting to more than ?50 - not bad when it is in reality Primark, Tesco and M&S stuff that cost less than ?15 and is ready for chucking out. Knickers and tights are what they are after. Easier than escorting and no STI risks. I'm thinking of doing a www site with a friend who sets up web shops with paypal payments that is dedicated to this and maybe allow selling by others. As someone mentioned in another thread, the real interest comes if clients can see you wearing them on video before they buy (also a chance to sell video content on AW). PM me if you are interested in sharing or contributing to a selling site.
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I have never done or offered BB - but I have got pregnant from sex work (when using condoms properly and without splits or breakage). I can only encourage others to use another contraception method in addition to condoms if they are having a lot of penetrative sex.
It is not quite the same but I have had requests from 2 clients to meet me after I had BB sex with my BF (no chance because I don't have a BF or civy partner) - they were quite happy to wear condoms. Is this a thing??
I can't believe that this is safe even with condoms used by the client - especially if RO is involved (one specifically asked for this)
Ahh, bless you. Luckily, that hasn't happened to me, nor have I had any scares.
I think that's a fairly typical fantasy, there are a lot more shocking. I suppose it depends on where the tongue goes and how long it has been since sex. Vaginas are naturally acidic anyway, which keeps them 'clean'.
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I had someone yesterday who was very nervous not getting sex at home struggled to get it up when he did he said do i just go in you like this or do you use a condom i said of course i use a condom for sex. The funny thing with this guy was i do not think he was a deliberate BB pusher i actually think he was embarassed and was not sure if i expect him to go in like that and did not want to offend me incase i wanted it BB. I had to laugh as he was tip toeing around me not sure what to do or say.
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Too be honest I haven't been asked that much but that might be because I rarely have sex with them and being a dominatrix they wouldn't dare. I get the odd message on AW but I just say NO.
There are probably those that do and it's none of my business to be fair what they get up to.