On one level, ho ho ho, and I always wonder just how much people offering penetrative sex without condoms know about the risk/reward ratio, but I do go 'argh' at some of that.

So, with apologies for spoiling some of the joke...

(not to mention the fact that they are out of date the day you get them because of the 3 month window period for HIV). 

The primary test used in the UK is able to give a positive diagnosis a month after actual infection, and it's this one which should be generally used. It replaces a less sensitive test which needed around six weeks between infection and testing. Both these look for antibodies to HIV.

There is another test which can detect HIV infection earlier still, about a week after infection, because it looks for the virus directly. Partly because it's more expensive, it tends to be used only in situations where it is critical to know as soon after possible infection as possible.

Outside clinics, there are mouth swab and finger prick tests. These need a longer period after infection before they give a positive result, and yes, it's up to three months. Because these also have a significant level of 'false positives' (i.e. they say someone's HIV+ when they are not) they need to have further tests done on anyone with a positive result before a diagnosis is given.

Therefore I would view this as a very high risk activity.

If he's HIV+, they'd be about 1/500 chance of catching it off him (or somewhere between 1/100 and 1/30 if you do anal, and both would be riskier if he caught HIV in the past month or otherwise has a high 'viral load' in his semen).

If I provided you with bareback sex I would be ethically bound not to risk any other gentleman's health by having any kind of sexual contact with him so could not work for 3 months.

Condoms: they're lovely! If you did catch HIV off him, your chances of passing it on via unprotected sex will be higher than the usual 1/1,666 (it's safer to be the one with the penis with sexual transmission) for the first weeks, but using condoms properly cuts that down to nil or very very nearly so.

If I contract HIV I will have a maximum of 20 years to live, meaning I will die by the age of 40, cutting my life expectancy in half.

Again, I recognise where you're coming from in writing this, but this bit makes me go 'argh' in particular. Combination therapy (taking three or more anti-HIV drugs) has absolutely transformed the life expectancy of people with HIV since the mid-90s. Quality of life will be affected - you really do not want to be HIV+ - but you should have no less of it. People who die because of Aids in the UK now typically were never tested for HIV until too late.

And your life expectancy is likely to be rather higher than 40 years, unless you've some very interesting hobbies.

Oh, if anyone else copies this idea, do make sure that weekly rate x 50 is around what you're declaring to the tax authorities and, if you're in the UK, that it falls below the VAT threshold. Otherwise, at some point, someone will forward it to (or actually be from) HMR&C and eyebrows will be raised.

Haha, thanks. My knowledge of HIV comes from a project I had to do at beauty college which I researched on wikipedia three years ago, so it's probably pretty patchy. I did know about the very low transmission rate - but personally I wouldn't want to have sex with anyone if I knew I was HIV+ or could be, even with condoms, just because I would feel so guilty if I passed it on. That's an ethical judgment on myself that I would never apply to anyone else, but I think that part still stands  .

Just one thing though - the tests I get are the 3 month ones. That's what I've been told by clinic staff. Is it maybe because of the area I'm in? They also told me that Newcastle has less HIV than anywhere else in the country. I didn't know the earlier detection tests were as widely available, last I heard was that you had to get them done privately (that was when my sister got tested a few years ago).

Just one thing though - the tests I get are the 3 month ones. That's what I've been told by clinic staff. Is it maybe because of the area I'm in? They also told me that Newcastle has less HIV than anywhere else in the country. I didn't know the earlier detection tests were as widely available, last I heard was that you had to get them done privately (that was when my sister got tested a few years ago).

For the 'look for the virus directly' test, you probably would go private. For the 'use a syringe to get some blood and test that' test in general use at a clinic, it really should be the six week one they're using, but it's just possible they're just being cautious in case someone is a bit slower at producing antibodies and is told they're HIV- when they're not.

Part of me thinks that if they're not testing properly, they would think that! A presentation on the Newcastle PCT site says they started doing proper 'we'll ask everyone we see if they want it' testing in 2001. The HIV prevalence in 2005 was low average (most of Yorkshire was lower, for example).

I had a no show, I was bored and I was answering my emails. If my maths is wrong I'm going to cry, but I had a good laugh writing this.

Quote from: Idiot Client

Hi

I am writing to you to ask if you would consider offering the service of bareback sex for a meeting with me. I have never had unprotected sex before and I am now more than curious as to the feeling and sensations of this over protected sex. I am prepared to pay whatever you would be willing to offer this service for. I also would be prepared to provide any required health certificates. My request is 100% genuine.

Quote from: Me

Ok, as I'm sure you understand I cannot accept your word that you have never had risky sex before, and certificates are easily faked (not to mention the fact that they are out of date the day you get them because of the 3 month window period for the HIV virus). Therefore I would view this as a very high risk activity.

My ability to have sex is worth between ?200 and ?1500 a week. Let's average that out at ?650. If I provided you with bareback sex I would be ethically bound not to risk any other gentleman's health by having any kind of sexual contact with him so could not work for 3 months. Let's even that out and call it 12 weeks. That is ?7800.

There is also a risk of me contracting HIV, as I said I cannot take your word or a piece of paper against my health. If I contract HIV I will have a maximum of 20 years to live, meaning I will die by the age of 40, cutting my life expectancy in half. Obviously at that time my suffering will be over, but my fiance (who by then will be my husband) will be left without my income or my companionship.

Therefore, I would require my full ?650 per week for the next 20 years, to make up for my early retirement. This is ?676,000. After my death, I think a flat rate of compensation for my husband would be ?100,000 which he could use to buy a new place away from our memories, go on a few nice holidays or adequately drown his sorrows in expensive champagne. He would then require an income for the next 20 years I would have been working before my projected retirement age of 60. It can reasonably be expected that in the 40-60 range I might be less busy, due to my age and also due to being tired from many years in the business. We'll call that a nice ?400,000.

Naturally, I would require the full fee upfront, as I can't trust you to make the regular payments, especially after my death. Therefore, please present to me in pounds sterling cash at the start of your appointment the sum of ?1,183,800. I am aware that this is a large sum of money, but, as you said, you are willing to pay whatever I am willing to offer bareback for. This is in fact a very generous offer as I have not even charged you my usual ?100 hourly fee! I'm sure you will be in touch with your bank first thing Monday morning. I look forward to our meeting,

Krystal

lol that's classic!
Honestly sometimes I am  not sure how people think they can always get away with unprotected sex.

Had a Punter today who wouldn't have penetrative sex after I put a condom on him. He explained about his concern of catching something from me that cheeky bugger! ;-( of course I gave him a lecture about my regular checks and visits to the Clinic.

And really if he is that worried he shouldn't be visiting any WGS for that matter although we are considered the cleanest girls out there as opposed to the one night standers. x

Don't mind at all

I don't understand ladies that offer it either, but I guess for some it's desperation. Low self esteem makes them think they can't get clients any other way, maybe? A lot of profiles on AW are fakes as well, they just make money from private gallery sales, so hopefully some of them don't actually do what they claim to. And, sadly, some are just really stupid. A lass I used to work with before becoming an escort was asking me how to get into it, and I think she's the kind of girl who would end up being that way if she did because she just has no common sense at all :/

I just realised I didn't add pregnancy into the maths. I could have claimed to be pro-life and added the cost of raising a child 

Love it!
Only found this forum today and I think it's wonderful
Thank you girls
Xxx