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General Category => Blather and Babble => Topic started by: Chanel xxx on 05 November 2018, 09:55:32 pm
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Is anyone watching it? Its on BBC2 right now. Interesting references to AW and escort 'review' sites
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I saw it, based on a true story.
Makes me realise once again how lucky I am to be Independent as there are millions who don't have that choice (not just SW, all kinds of trafficking)
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I tried to watch it but am on tour and the internet signal is abysmal.
I'll try to catch it at home.
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I missed it but will probably watch on catch up Sunday night :)
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Will take a look thanks
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Haven't watched it yet, but the real woman involved was recently interviewed by Jenny Murray on Woman's Hour, Radio 4. It should be searchable on BBC iPlayer radio.
They also played a shorter clip of the interview on Mondays' show.
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I can't watch these things, its like being confronted with animal abuse imagery online or something... too saddening/enraging.
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I can't watch these things, its like being confronted with animal abuse imagery online or something... too saddening/enraging.
Agreed!
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I watched it last night, it was very powerful. The female pimp character was chilling. I wonder how those clients could bring themselves to book a WG who was so obviously working under duress, covered in bruises. They must have pretended to themselves that all was well. I can't think of how else they could sleep at night. The sooner human trafficking is ended the better >:(
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Sadly, though I think some men use these women and go through the dissonance mill to justify it to themselves, I think there is some contingent of punters who not only know that these women are pimped and controlled, but don't care and even feel aggrieved when said circumstances mean the women in question are not up to giving them the bells and whistles GFE treatment. From things I've read some punters write online and from some small scale studies on the subject. God knows how big a contingent... one hopes its small.
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I have read things written by punters complaining that the girl was sullen, spoke no or little English and was working in a bare shit hole with just a bare mattress on the floor... But they very rarely even seem to wonder if she's there under her own free will.
In person, I meet a lot of punters who say that they see me because they don't want to see a trafficked girl. Obviously, I'm glad they choose me, but I sometimes think they're looking for brownie points from me. "Oooh! You're one of the good ones, aren'tcha?" ::)
Yeah, no extra credit for not being a rapist.
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In person, I meet a lot of punters who say that they see me because they don't want to see a trafficked girl. Obviously, I'm glad they choose me, but I sometimes think they're looking for brownie points from me. "Oooh! You're one of the good ones, aren'tcha?" ::)
Yeah, no extra credit for not being a rapist.
Indeed.
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It touched my heart after watching this yesterday evening.
How difficult for girls who don't choose this work but are forced into it.
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I watched it too and heard the interview on Woman's Hour. Bloody awful, but what also struck me was that they took her to NI and were going to move to Sweden. So much for the Nordic Model being a deterrent to traffickers..
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I tried to find the womam’s Hour interview but couldn’t, do you have a link?
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I tried to find the womam’s Hour interview but couldn’t, do you have a link?
Took me a while but it must have been repeated last week and it was originally broadcast on the 3rd May and it's available on iplayer for that day.
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Cheers thanks
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The thing that disgusted me the most was the men, I just can't fathom what type of men want to pay to rape and batter someone, sadly we live in a shitty world I just hope she's doing a lot better now, mentally, it's sad that they only done months
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I watched it and really this is happening on our door step. The worse is that if you look in aw, there are literally 1000+ of them! scary af
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Awful to see the pimps reading the bad reviews one star because the girl was like a lump of wood and just lay there.
Men write reviews like that do they have no brain or really do not care
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Awful to see the pimps reading the bad reviews one star because the girl was like a lump of wood and just lay there.
Men write reviews like that do they have no brain or really do not care
Maybe I’m just really cynical but I think they know and don’t care. I never underestimate the capacity for pure selfishness in some human beings.
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I'm into the last 45 minutes.
Finding it really grim tbh. Not the sort of thing I would usually watch, but sticking with it because of the subject matter.
Think the actors did an excellent job. Particularly the vile scum Pimps and the evil blonde "Madame".
Wonder if they cast strictly to the reality or to sensasionalise?
The friend who returned from Sweden all cut-up is the double of a very close friend of mine :-*
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I'm into the last 45 minutes.
Finding it really grim tbh. Not the sort of thing I would usually watch, but sticking with it because of the subject matter.
Think the actors did an excellent job. Particularly the vile scum Pimps and the evil blonde "Madame".
Wonder if they cast strictly to the reality or to sensasionalise?
The friend who returned from Sweden all cut-up is the double of a very close friend of mine :-*
So many things I would like to know were they real or drama
There was a court case and convictions so the core case trafficked was real.
Did the man really take her home scared of his mammy hide her in a shed then hand her back.
Did the tagged Belfast Boys really go beat up the traffickers did they get prosecuted for that did they rescue her give her work not sex related.
Is the lady recovering are her family understanding of what happened ot her.
Are the other ladies still trafficked, did the pimps or other pimps come back for them.
Were the ladies convictions quashed.
Have any laws been changed as a result of this case?
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I believe the trafficking victim gave evidence which led to the Nordic model in NI. In real life she did indeed run away to a client's house and he sheltered her which is how she escaped. I think the farmer who handed her back to the pimps was made up. Not sure if thr Belfast boys were real or not.
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I believe the trafficking victim gave evidence which led to the Nordic model in NI. In real life she did indeed run away to a client's house and he sheltered her which is how she escaped. I think the farmer who handed her back to the pimps was made up. Not sure if thr Belfast boys were real or not.
Thank you
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This reminded me of a client who I sent away with a flea in his his ear recently who said he'd seen a Romanian girl who just lay there pretty much unresponsive. I asked him if someone else took the money from him & were other people in the property etc. I got quite angry & lectured him that he should call crime stoppers. He said he walked out but you can never be sure if they are telling the truth. Needless to say he didn't get a good service out of me that day. it's made me want to report clients like him to the police. It doesn't hurt these clients to make an anonymous call to crime stoppers but the selfish pricks are too scared about their wife finding out. If more people in society didn't turn a blind eye it would be shut it down sooner.
Another client said about the film "It's interesting" that gave me the creeps.
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I haven’t watched the program so I can’t comment but being cynical as I always am I wonder if over the next few months we see a flurry of very anti prostitution programmes in order to get the general public behind the banning escort sites like AW /Viva St or attempting to bring in the Nordic Model
I know the general public can’t actually ban such sites but it always helps the giver if people are behind its proposals
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For me what stood out was said reviews - it hurt to see that how such careless indifference can make such an impact...
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For me what stood out was said reviews - it hurt to see that how such careless indifference can make such an impact...
I've always hated the review system, it can be very dehumanising and misogynistic. When it comes to sleeping with a trafficked woman, there are sadly some clients who choose to 'see no evil, hear no evil' because their cock is hard, and I guess a small minority are fully aware they're committing rape and simply don't care.
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I've always hated the review system, it can be very dehumanising and misogynistic. When it comes to sleeping with a trafficked woman, there are sadly some clients who choose to 'see no evil, hear no evil' because their cock is hard, and I guess a small minority are fully aware they're committing rape and simply don't care.
Yet others experience such guilt that they project that onto women like myself who aren't forced or trafficked. When I get marks on me from normal life activities I have clients who assume they are inflicted by punters, other clients or some other man in my life. During my time as a sex worker I've never been physically assaulted by a man.
The marks have been clothing which has rubbed, and daft accidents caused all on my own some.
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I do think that some of the hatred or disdain some punters feel for us is because they will have most likely encountered women who really don't want to be there and obviously having sex with someone who is clearly showing some level of 'just getting through it' or even distress is going to have an effect.
Some will respond pragmatically and take steps to try to ensure they don't book someone likely to be trafficked again, like women who have their own websites etc, but some of the more selfish ones will keep booking the women more likely to be being coerced or forced, attracted as they are by the low prices perhaps or promise of any amount of services for a low price. And rather than confront themselves they'll just hate 'whores' for not always giving them exactly what they want. I've seen punters actually *angry* that some 19 year old Romania seemingly at the very least being put through a factory line and having a good percentage of her money going to some pimp, if not out an out coerced/controlled, isn't doing her 'level best' to behave as though he were some sex god she can't get enough of.
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Yet others experience such guilt that they project that onto women like myself who aren't forced or trafficked. When I get marks on me from normal life activities I have clients who assume they are inflicted by punters, other clients or some other man in my life. During my time as a sex worker I've never been physically assaulted by a man.
The marks have been clothing which has rubbed, and daft accidents caused all on my own some.
Same here, I've never been hurt or abused by a man but I do have a nice bruise on my arm from where I bashed it into the corner of the door and nobody has said anything. I wonder if they wonder about it or if they notice but don't care. But then maybe I'm overthinking. Also I'm an English mature lady so not the typical profile of someone who's been trafficked.
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I do think that some of the hatred or disdain some punters feel for us is because they will have most likely encountered women who really don't want to be there and obviously having sex with someone who is clearly showing some level of 'just getting through it' or even distress is going to have an effect.
Some will respond pragmatically and take steps to try to ensure they don't book someone likely to be trafficked again, like women who have their own websites etc, but some of the more selfish ones will keep booking the women more likely to be being coerced or forced, attracted as they are by the low prices perhaps or promise of any amount of services for a low price. And rather than confront themselves they'll just hate 'whores' for not always giving them exactly what they want. I've seen punters actually *angry* that some 19 year old Romania seemingly at the very least being put through a factory line and having a good percentage of her money going to some pimp, if not out an out coerced/controlled, isn't doing her 'level best' to behave as though he were some sex god she can't get enough of.
Yes, the anger is quite disturbing. Perhaps its a manifestation of the anger they feel towards themselves but can't admit.
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A man i used to see every week once asked me to do Slut roleplay
As part of the roleplay i got torn stockings to wear smudged my make up and did a black eye.
We had a fantastic meeting real laugh
As he was walking out the door he turned to me and asked me who did that to me
I asked what he meant
He asked who beat me up
He thought the torn clothes and black eye were real and he went ahead with his booking as normal
I still feel sick
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Same here, I've never been hurt or abused by a man but I do have a nice bruise on my arm from where I bashed it into the corner of the door and nobody has said anything. I wonder if they wonder about it or if they notice but don't care. But then maybe I'm overthinking. Also I'm an English mature lady so not the typical profile of someone who's been trafficked.
Like you in mature and very British, also involved in a lot of things which I couldn't make up - and which are fairly obvious to most people who meet or speak to me.
First time the punter text after he'd left, asked about the marks which I'd not even known were on my ribs - result of wearing a steel boned corset all day previous day. Second time was mentioned during a booking, result of doing my then thrice weekly Swiss ball crunches whilst wearing a particularly tight bra. Few weeks ago I had an accident in the gym, when I mentioned it to a long - term regular client and explained injuries can be assumed to be inflicted by punters /pimps he told me he had wondered about a previous mark I'd had which had been caused by dress maker's pins.
Having seen the Tonya Harding story film earlier this year I guess even the most 'independent' women can be in abusive relationships.
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A man i used to see every week once asked me to do Slut roleplay
As part of the roleplay i got torn stockings to wear smudged my make up and did a black eye.
We had a fantastic meeting real laugh
- what's "slut roleplay" when it's at home and why would a "slut" have a black eye? I guess you learn something new everyday.. .
Also troubling the amount of reference to AW on it, and AW reps coming across as in denial and unhelpful to police. I had to jump through hoops to get verified on AW how do these pimps get a way with it.
That madam was 𝒫𝓊𝓇𝑒 𝒫𝓊𝓇𝒫𝓊𝒫𝓊a sociopath too, a special place waiting in hell for her.